North Americans seeking "Daddy/Daughte" relationships in Nicaragua

[El Doc]

She had some good issues and facts but jus came on to strong for most of us..... that is all...

Agreed. Let's all get back to being clever and chatting away at each other.

Friggin tequila rules, finally got the tandoori chicken right on the grill, there are frigging monkeys (without friggin laser beams on their heads) in the trees! If you had to wear a coat today while you sat in traffic on your way to some God-forsaken cubicle, I only have one thing to say:



Viva Nicaragua, Jueputa!!

I think she adds a nice flavor to the broth. Banning her makes us no better than NL, and considering that that place is run by one of the people that are the problem (and you totally know he's reading this), I say keep her around and teach her some manners.

Side note: Man! You gotta be real uncouth to get JPJW to throw you into the volcano. That's always a good barometer of how far you've gone.

But it still don't mean she doesn't have a place here. Land of the free, and all that. Can't deny the brave a home. You do that, you might as well dissolve Israel. We're losing site of context here, and I'll get to that as soon as I'm back in my office toiling away for the sinking euro (friggin Greeks are screwing it up for everyone!).

By the way, just another point before I unplug this 3G modem and get back to the paradise I'm surrounded by (I swear, this must be what a crackhead feels like; GIVE US FREE, TRN!!! GIVE US FREE!!!!). . . .

the barbecue friggin rocked!!!! We're munching on grilled pineapple right now and I'm going home tomorrow morning BY BOAT!!!! Yeah, while some of you are shoveling the snow out of your driveways, I'll be in a friggin boat (with friggin laser beams on my head) smoking a Doña Flor and asking whatever deity I don't believe in what I did to deserve such a great friggin' life!

VIVA NICARAGUA JUEPUTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jonh]

I think she adds a nice flavor to the broth. Banning her makes us no better than NL, and considering that that place is run by one of the people that are the problem (and you totally know he's reading this), I say keep her around and teach her some manners.

Folks, just remember who wrote this, right Howard?

[Just Plain John Wayne]

Yep.... El D changed his clothes, put on lipsnich, stockings and curlers in his hair......

And incited a riot.......

[howard cox]

Folks, just remember who wrote this, right Howard?

Do the words " cognitive dissonance " ring a bell?

[Just Plain John Wayne]

Do the words " cognitive dissonance " ring a bell?

... Did he call you that?.....

In public?.....

I have not idea what it means, but it don't sound good.....

[El Doc]

... Did he call you that?.....

In public?.....

I have not idea what it means, but it don't sound good.....

Don't worry, he still hasn't looked it up either.

[howard cox]

... Did he call you that?.....

In public?.....

I have not idea what it means, but it don't sound good.....

Then maybe you should look it up, JPJW.

[Jonh]

No one need worry - MM is no more El Doc than LCT "runs" this site. You all know 90% of what's on the internet is lies, don't you?

[bill_bly_ca]

No one need worry - MM is no more El Doc than LCT "runs" this site. You all know 90% of what's on the internet is lies, don't you?

and the other 10% is just plane wrong..

[RGV AG]

If you had some experience with Latin families you would realize that not every Latino/a feels this is an acceptable practice. It IS child molestation! And there are many human rights groups in Latin America who feel this practice is nothing more than exploitation. Maybe the gringos don't get that, but it is a fact.

Ok, this is gotten interesting. I was doing fun stuff all weekend, like being broken down on the side of the road in Nicaragua, and didn't pay attention to this thread. But I will now. Most human rights groups in Latin America are self serving organizations that bemoan the explotation and problems of the poor from 8-5 and then retire to 5 Star hotel to have gin fizzes while they bitch about the dust and flies. They don't know crap, and if they did they would be down here harrasing the hell out of the systems of governments that are vehicles for abject failure and if they couldn't do anything about the governments they would be sponsoring programs to create jobs and business so that folks had a choice. I am glad you are not a judge, if your definition of murder is anything like your definition of child molestation, Lord help us all.

First off, my name is Robert Ike Craig, I live in Managua. I am Texas Aggie, class of 91'. You can find me in Managua at the Portezuelos Free Zone building number #2 (the best damn sweat shop in all of Central America, Hooyahhh), down from the puente desnivel off the north highway. I am married to the Esmeralda A. Guerra, 37 years old and have a wonderful daughter. My cell phone is 505 8852 9768. Just so you clearly know who I am and that I will stand behind what I am saying.

I am a dual US/Mexican citizen and have spent 34 years of my 41 either living, living and working, going to school, or just working in Latin America. So I don't think I am completely talking out of my dumb ass when I offer an opinion on Latin America. In grand gist of things, on this board anyway, I am one of the few "gringos" that is a card carrying, from a long way back, Latin American by nationality. I have paid lots of taxes and I don't care who, what or how many I offend by my opinions, just like me, they are what they are. Feel free to contact anytime to discuss this issue.

Making fun of children by calling young girls "vestal virgins" isn't your quality moment. That you assume you are rescuing the poor and downtrodden of Latin America by marrying these children before those horrible young Latino lads (who we all know are the typical xenophobic version of thieves, thugs, and wife-beaters because gringos say it is so) come along, then forgive me for laughing at you.

Lots of people laugh at me everyday, deservedly, join the club. You don't give these "vestal virgins" enough credit. Do you think most women in Latin America are so exploited, downtrodden and abused that they can't think for themselves? It sounds like you do and you are not giving them enough credit. Sounds to me that you want to limit their freedom of choice and decision if it does not agree with your idea of social morality.

There are many wonderfully traditional men who grow up in Latin America who seek an education, treat their women better with respect, and honor their marriages.

Please let me know where I can find this abundance of these type of men. I will set up a Latin American dating site and retire within in the year. Sure there are some dudes like you describe above, most certainly, but due to the cultural fabric of Latin America, and lets not be flip here, they are in a vast minority. Just ask most Latin American women that are here day in and day out. For Goodness sakes just try to run a business here and rely on men and you will get educated to the reality of the differences between the genders. My administrative staff here is 83% women for that particular reason. Good men in Latin America are tough to find. And the good ones are taken and watched over like by a hawk.

And just as there are in North America, there are the cheaters, scoundrels, and thugs who beat their wives, impregnate them and leave, and commit all types of disgusting acts. In the U.S. we see them on Jerry Springer or Maury Povich every day in all age groups. And for every gold digging "chica nica" you will find her counterpart in the U.S. Blond buxom and not willing to sign a prenuptial agreement, but ready to make that man's fantasies come true for a slick buck.

Sister let me explain the difference here, CONSEQUENCES. In the US you beat your wife and you father some kids you are going to go to jail and you are going to pay and if you don't you are going to go to jail. There are limited consequences, if any, for terrible behavior in Latin America, yet you generally condem any gringo that wants a new or second lease on life, while most likely benifitting a down and out woman? Wow. In the office next to mine, these are real deals here not quotes out of self appointed intelectual publications, sits a beautiful young 29 year old single mother of two with two masters degrees. She has two marriges and two divorces and two kids, by the supposedly the type of guys you describe above. Both previous husbands were complete bullshit artists and to this day have maybe paid $1500 USD in child support combined for 11 years (combined total) of children being alive. The previous is the rule much more than the exception. Join the real world, get your feet on the ground and examine real life scenarios, not hypothetical ones you envision with handwringing over a $7 latte at Starbucks.

These posts claiming that choosing an old fart over a man her own age who can demonstrate the concept of love instead of lust is not cutting it. It's too much like Vladimir Nabokov's "Lolita," the classic pedophile's sterotype to boost their fragile ego, describing a sexually precocious young girl who just can't wait to get some sagging and wrinkled old man to show her how to "be a woman." Excuse me while I barf! You can read this crap in any pornography site where most men with this fetish hide in the U.S.

Nobody claims some nubile young Latin American bride or even brown breasted mattress thrasher if you will, is going to be love struck by some old fat Gringo that hasn't seen his pecker in a decade due to the overhang. But in the real world there are lots of marriges of convenience that evolve into caring and love due the mutual amelioration of problems; either personal, financial, or mental. That is the real world. It is ideal? No. Is it real? Yes.

But I have a question...if this is soooo acceptable, why do you have to come to Central America to practice this fetish? Why not find the precocious young nymphet in the U.S.? The answer lies in economics. In Latin America the economic disparity allows this still.

I don't practice this fetish, but I tell you what as I get older and look back I sure wish I would have when I was younger and single. I found a precocious young nymphet in the US, and when I married her she amazingly became mean as a snake, fat and sassy, and I love her dearly and she is an outstanding mother. What more can you ask for. Oh, yes and she was Hispanic.

I come to Latin American mainly to support my family and have a job, it is my reality. Along the way I have been able to improve many people's lives, among them many, many single mothers, young women with no future, and families in dire need. I can prove this and I have people that will vouch for this. I have bought formula for emaciated new borns when "papi" was out whoring around because his "mujer" still had an epesiotomy(sp. or whatever the cut is they make to a womans hooter when she gives birth). I have bribed policeman to beat the hell out of a man (34 years old) that beat the hell out of his 19 year old bride with two kids. I have seen and done a lot, as opposed to many I work and depend on the poor and downtrodden for my livelyhood. I do all I can to not exploit them and to give all women a safe, clean, and respectable place to work. My biggest "secret" in accomplishing the previous is to NOT HIRE LATIN MALES!!!! I am sure I miss some good ones, and I am sure this ain't exactly right. But I will err on the side of caution and play the best odds that I possibly can. Yes, I do discriminate against Latin males. No, I am not politically correct.

You take care and enjoy the view from 8000 ft, let us on the ground know if you ever want to wade into the real world. We will be waiting on you with baited breath.

[RGV AG]

Oh and JPJW is not a child molester, I know so because both he and his wife told me so . He is surely a "red neck muther", a son of the south, a sailor and probably God fearing for all I know. I look at the evidence, and what I see is a decent, maybe imperfect, man, a husband a nd a father. Who gives a damn what his age is.

My great great grandfather was 52 when he married my great, great grandmother and she was 26. They were fine and when he pushed up daises she had a grand life. Was it perfect, probably not, but it is what it is and I don't think she was so poor that she had to marry him, but she chose to.

Mujer, one thing you are truly forgetting is that hunger is a very strong motivator and instead of bitching about the symptoms of a problem, why don't you spend some effort on truly addressing the root cause.

[El Doc]

Okay, back from the island. Man, if you only knew...

First off, it aint me. Wishful thinking from the peanut gallery won't make it so. Have John check the IPs or something.

Second off, I don't agree with the whole age difference thing. Once one is an adult, one is an adult. If we're going to administer psychometric examinations for emotional maturity, age would probably be one of the least accurate predictors, especially in this environment. I know my ex was far less emotionally mature than I despite being 7 years older than me. I also know that Howard's wife is far more emotionally mature than he is despite their age difference (not a dig at Howard; even he'll admit that). Even my wife sees her as a peer despite the decade between them, and my wife is far more mature than her years. She's two years behind me in age and at least a decade ahead of me in maturity. People mature at different rates based on their biology and their experiences (and women really do mature faster than men, I can get into the whole physiology of that if anyone wants the boring neurophysiology explanation), and around these parts maturity is thrust upon people whether they are ready for it or not. Some rise to the challenge, some don't. It's not pretty and some may say it's not fair (whatever fairness is), but that's the way it is.

Thirdly, magneticamujer is not putting anything into cultural context. For most of our human history, people have been considered full-grown adults by the time they were 14-16 years old. Now for those of us raised in the rich industrialized north, that no longer applies. We enjoy a concept of childhood that really is new to the human race, maybe only a century old. This concept, like so many aspects of our current culture, grew out of the enlightenment. It's a luxury that I hope the entire world has the opportunity to enjoy someday, but we're in the here and now, not in the future we hope to see. A 16-year-old growing up in West Hollywood California cannot compare their life experiences to a 16-year-old growing up on the Atlantic Coast of Nicaragua. In fact, a 16-year-old in Granada isn't going to have comparable experiences with a 16-year-old from the DAC. There is a big difference between an urban, industrialized upbringing and a rural, indigenous upbringing. Again, I look forward to the day when all young people have the luxury of a long, unfettered childhood where they can explore their imaginations and potential without the pressure of having to grow up fast in an unforgiving world, but most of the world isn't there yet.

Nonetheless, her original point was a valid one and I think her passion pulled the discussion right into the areas of disagreement before anyone had the chance to acknowledge the areas of agreement. I'm afraid a lot of you might not realize the magnitude of the problem. I see old men picking up and dropping off disheveled young (13-14 maybe?) girls from their SUVs in the morning right in front of my house on a regular basis. A few of these young girls live in the neighborhood behind me, and the spot in front of my house is apparently the closest they'll go, ostensibly because they don't want the whole neighborhood to see. A long kiss on the lips, the child gets out, and the perp speeds off. These are bonafide children. They don't even look like women, let alone have the mental capacity to think like one. I've seen this enough times to know it's a problem. If it's that apparent to me without even leaving my house, I can imagine how bad it is across the entire city. And as 3F said, it's not just ex-pats. This permeates the entire society. The reason it's so prevalent is because there hasn't been a critical mass of people who see it as a problem. There are a lot of bones in a lot of closets and the Nicaraguan way is to just act like it's not happening. That seems to be the way a lot of problems are approached here.

As a father of three girls, I know I wouldn't hesitate to violate my Hippocratic Oath and do some harm if it were one of my girls involved. But of course, it won't be one of my girls, nor one of your girls, because we aren't raising them that way. We come from a different tribe with different norms. And therein lies the rub. This country is full of children who are parents, on over their heads, and they have a different concept of normal (even different than what their grandparents would have considered acceptable). They're wholly unequipped to handle the responsibilities of being a parent, there is no support infrastructure (because the IMF never saw social services as a proper government function) and the results are showing. I guess this is a common phenomenon when societies are making the transition from a rural to an urban culture, and the extremely young demographics of this country only compound the problem.

Be that as it may, I still think there can be some general agreement on what constitutes bad behavior. There are real bonafide predators here. I think it behooves people to decide what fits that definition. I wouldn't take it as far as magneticamujer's unyielding definition of simply anyone with anyone under 18, though U.S. law does make that hard distinction (I think that law is about 7 years old), but I realize that there are other factors involved the further you get from the industrialized, Protestant-driven, urban culture that we are all familiar with. I definitely wouldn't agree with the age difference thing. If a girl is 18 years old, who gives a shit if they guy is 50, 60, 70, whatever? Personally, I've met a lot of men in my time that are barely at the maturity level of an 18-year-old by the time the reach 50. I also know a lot of young women (especially here) who have had to take on the adult responsibilities in their homes and communities since they were 10, raising children, cooking meals, running a business, sometimes so far as caring for sick (or useless) parents.

I've seen girls carried through university as "the other woman" in a lot of countries including the U.S., and it might not be the most psychologically hygenic experience, but neither is being screwed and dumped by a series of loser boyfriends of the same age who knock you up and derail your education. Any girl that can manage to get a "beca" that way should be applauded. If she makes it through the experience with no children and a university degree in hand, she should be given a friggin' medal. Neither the government nor the employment market around here is offering comparable opportunities, so more power to them. It's one way to even the playing field when it comes to educational opportunities for men and women (because no boy is cute enough or a woman desperate enough to carry him 4 whole years). It's at least as admirable as strapping on a pair boots and a rifle and going to the other side of the world to shoot foreigners for a GI bill. It's certainly safer, both physically and psychologically.

Like I said, it's sad they didn't have a chance to enjoy the modern concept of a childhood, but once those years are gone, you don't get to make up for them later (lest you turn out like Michael Jackson). One thing I've seenclear as crystal as I approach my 1-year anniversary living here is that the social situation is not ideal. This place is stuck between two worlds, the one we've lived in for most of human history and the one we hope to progress to. My grandfather was not a pedophile when he married my grandmother over 8 decades ago just because he was 20 and she was 14, they simply didn't have childhoods for blacks and injuns back then. I'm intelligent enough to put it into context. However, that is in no way on the same level as someone who is simply screwing young girls because they are readily available, easy to manipulate, and because they like the look of prepubescence. Sickness is sickness, and as of yet we have no effective treatment for that sickness (thus the need for 9 mm cerebral bloodletting therapy). There is a such thing as pedophilia and it's rampant and I think there's a general disagreement here that it is unacceptable regardless of the society in question.

What is clearly in dispute here is the definition of pedophilia. Again, I go with the medical definition, not the legal one. There is no universal age at which you can say one is no longer a child. Personally, were I single I think I'd make a point to stay within the legal definition (because I'm too cute to go to prison), but I don't like younger women anyway so that has never been a problem for me. Just keep in mind what U.S. law says on the matter. Any U.S. citizen engaging in sexual contact with a person under 18 anywhere in the world will be prosecuted under U.S. law. Best to just stay out of trouble. There's no shortage of 18-year-old women out there anyway.

Magneticamujer would do the world some good to focus that passion of hers on the clear and present problem at hand rather than try to force her concepts of emotional development on a country that is still trying to claw its way into the mid-twentieth century. Instead of preaching at good people who happen to disagree on some of the details, some efforts to secure legal services for these young abandoned mothers would do a world of good. They all watch TV, why not sponsor some PSAs letting these young girls know their rights. Run them during the novellas and I guarantee those rights would be common knowledge in under a month. Tell them how to register their children at the embassy if the father is a foreigner, secure their right to citizenship so that they have an extra opportunity in the future. Pitch in some cash to pay for a legal services fund so that lawyers can get them their birthright (I'd be glad to pitch in some for that, too). You'd be surprised how many people you could sponsor for next to nothing. Lawyers aren't expensive here, but the costs can be insurmountable to a young mother who's benefactor just hopped on Spirit Air for Miami (or the Tica Bus to CR), never to return.

Anyways, good discussion. I'm afraid I won't be able to go through all the threads that have been spawned by this new arrival because I'm essentially 3 days behind, so I'll try and skim through for the important stuff before marking all forums read. Let me save time here by saying screw you Howard (I'm sure you deserve it), the Reds are toast this year LCT, and good post 3F.

In closing, let me reiterate that TRN is not NL, and we shouldn't be banning anyone just because we disagree with them, nor should we ban anyone because they are harsh. Everyone has the same control panel and can ignore any poster or thread they choose. The mods also have the ability to temper the discussion either publicly or privately. You may not have noticed in all the flying fur, but there were a few people actually participating constructively in the discussion. Just because the core clique is upset doesn't mean we should resort to censorship. This aint Coal Top (you know you're reading this Fyl you commie pervert SOB!).

And one other thing. I'm in shorts and sandals in my hammock!! Enjoy that snow up north, suckers!!!!

[El Doc]

Folks, just remember who wrote this, right Howard?

I never said anything about banning. I only asked for the same deference you demanded I give everyone else.

I didn't realize it was such a difficult concept. Either way, iggy works fine for me. Next time I'll just start my a new profile, call it CharlieDog2 or something, and then you can tell me how it's not fair for him to be upset and I should take a break or something. Sound about right?

[robertharvey]

I never said anything about banning. I only asked for the same deference you demanded I give everyone else.

I didn't realize it was such a difficult concept. Either way, iggy works fine for me. Next time I'll just start my a new profile, call it CharlieDog2 or something, and then you can tell me how it's not fair for him to be upset and I should take a break or something. Sound about right?

Doc, my good friend..........listen to an old man of little intelligence. When someone walks into a room and opens fire on all the occupants without explanation..........expect to receive a remarkable rebuttal. That's all.

[El Doc]

Doc, my good friend..........listen to an old man of little intelligence. When someone walks into a room and opens fire on all the occupants without explanation..........expect to receive a remarkable rebuttal. That's all.

I'm not talking about that. This goes back much further than the latest kurfuffle and Howard and John know what it's about.

[robertharvey]

I'm not talking about that. This goes back much further than the latest kurfuffle and Howard and John know what it's about.

Well I don't know? From the start I saw what appeared to be a hornets nest in full attack. The hornets fully inserted spewing poison into the victims.

Should one have asked a simple question as to thought on the subject, I feel almost sure that it would have been accepted as such, and quiet possibly an intelligent discussion could have prevailed? However; when one hears the scream of artillery, there is no position to assume other than a counter of more ferocity.

Personally, and meaning no insult to the most of us, when I see a California address, I simply chuckle to myself and ask; what now? Somewhere, someone told that populist that they were the most intelligent, creative people in the world, and that the world owed them to be awed?
Moreover, when reference is made to one righteous as THE written, being the deity of that which is to be, should be and is forever more………..loses this poor uneducated country boy!

Opinion only.

[Jonh]

One doesn't politely request the hornets to go back into their nest, or for people near the nest to ignore the hornets. One gets rid of the nest.

Doc, my friend, you're sometimes a gnat buzzing up our nose, but you're no hornet's nest. I'll take ten of you over one of "her." There's no way you can compare yourself to her.

[El Doc]

One doesn't politely request the hornets to go back into their nest, or for people near the nest to ignore the hornets. One gets rid of the nest.

Doc, my friend, you're sometimes a gnat buzzing up our nose, but you're no hornet's nest. I'll take ten of you over one of "her." There's no way you can compare yourself to her.

I don't disagree, I just questioned the length is all. I thought the forum rules were 1 week on the first offense. Let the offender know where the line was that she crossed and see if she adjusts? I'm sure she didn't read the board for a couple months to get a feel for it before she jumped in with both feet. Poor judgment should be a felony on the first strike.

And no, I don't compare myself to her; I just stand by my principles. Equal before the law. If the rule is a week (and I'm taking JP's word on that, I won't bother looking it up) then give her a week. I think a good smack down for the false start and right back into the starting blocks might lead to an interesting discussion.

[Jonh]

Rules are made to be broken. She broke the rules. If you don't like it,

[Scout Finch]

This whole issue of younger girls/women with older men is basically economics... if poverty is what gets hot, then go ahead, but understand that the only thing that gets you that what would be otherwise unobtainable is that your walking around with the equivalent of a couple months salary... Dont fool yourself into believing that a girl less than half your age finds you the least bit attractive.

[robertharvey]

This whole issue of younger girls/women with older men is basically economics... if poverty is what gets hot, then go ahead, but understand that the only thing that gets you that what would be otherwise unobtainable is that your walking around with the equivalent of a couple months salary... Dont fool yourself into believing that a girl less than half your age finds you the least bit attractive.

Fact being that nothing is done for nada. Women look at men as to what they could possibly provide as far as security and protection, while men look at women as to what pleasures, real or unreal, that they might provide. It's an old game and the rules have not changed.

Now, I have known some ugly women which I truly admired for their preceptions and so on and so forth, but.......do I wish them hanging on my arm, strolling thru the lillies of the world? Well...er...no...not really...unless of course the joys and toys of my little world are paid for by this beauty.

No difference with the exception of gender.

[Just Plain John Wayne]

What you need is a sugar daddy......

Satin sheets and a brand new caddy.....

Little things that help a girl make it thru.......

I will say this, I want my girls to marry with a MAN that can give them a life....

NOT a hardship.......

There are responsible MEN in the world......

The world is not full of bums and Neanderthals....

[El Doc]

I will say this, I want my girls to marry with a MAN that can give them a life....

I want my girls to be militant bull dyke lesbians who shun anyone with a y chromosome, wear Wolverine boots, and spend two months planning their trip to the Lilith Fair.

But I'm a jealous guy. Woe be unto he who makes any of my girls cry.

[howard cox]

Ok, this is gotten interesting. I was doing fun stuff all weekend, like being broken down on the side of the road in Nicaragua, and didn't pay attention to this thread. But I will now. Most human rights groups in Latin America are self serving organizations that bemoan the explotation and problems of the poor from 8-5 and then retire to 5 Star hotel to have gin fizzes while they bitch about the dust and flies. They don't know crap, and if they did they would be down here harrasing the hell out of the systems of governments that are vehicles for abject failure and if they couldn't do anything about the governments they would be sponsoring programs to create jobs and business so that folks had a choice. I am glad you are not a judge, if your definition of murder is anything like your definition of child molestation, Lord help us all.

First off, my name is Robert Ike Craig, I live in Managua. I am Texas Aggie, class of 91'. You can find me in Managua at the Portezuelos Free Zone building number #2 (the best damn sweat shop in all of Central America, Hooyahhh), down from the puente desnivel off the north highway. I am married to the Esmeralda A. Guerra, 37 years old and have a wonderful daughter. My cell phone is 505 8852 9768. Just so you clearly know who I am and that I will stand behind what I am saying.

I am a dual US/Mexican citizen and have spent 34 years of my 41 either living, living and working, going to school, or just working in Latin America. So I don't think I am completely talking out of my dumb ass when I offer an opinion on Latin America. In grand gist of things, on this board anyway, I am one of the few "gringos" that is a card carrying, from a long way back, Latin American by nationality. I have paid lots of taxes and I don't care who, what or how many I offend by my opinions, just like me, they are what they are. Feel free to contact anytime to discuss this issue.


Lots of people laugh at me everyday, deservedly, join the club. You don't give these "vestal virgins" enough credit. Do you think most women in Latin America are so exploited, downtrodden and abused that they can't think for themselves? It sounds like you do and you are not giving them enough credit. Sounds to me that you want to limit their freedom of choice and decision if it does not agree with your idea of social morality.

Please let me know where I can find this abundance of these type of men. I will set up a Latin American dating site and retire within in the year. Sure there are some dudes like you describe above, most certainly, but due to the cultural fabric of Latin America, and lets not be flip here, they are in a vast minority. Just ask most Latin American women that are here day in and day out. For Goodness sakes just try to run a business here and rely on men and you will get educated to the reality of the differences between the genders. My administrative staff here is 83% women for that particular reason. Good men in Latin America are tough to find. And the good ones are taken and watched over like by a hawk.

Sister let me explain the difference here, CONSEQUENCES. In the US you beat your wife and you father some kids you are going to go to jail and you are going to pay and if you don't you are going to go to jail. There are limited consequences, if any, for terrible behavior in Latin America, yet you generally condem any gringo that wants a new or second lease on life, while most likely benifitting a down and out woman? Wow. In the office next to mine, these are real deals here not quotes out of self appointed intelectual publications, sits a beautiful young 29 year old single mother of two with two masters degrees. She has two marriges and two divorces and two kids, by the supposedly the type of guys you describe above. Both previous husbands were complete bullshit artists and to this day have maybe paid $1500 USD in child support combined for 11 years (combined total) of children being alive. The previous is the rule much more than the exception. Join the real world, get your feet on the ground and examine real life scenarios, not hypothetical ones you envision with handwringing over a $7 latte at Starbucks.


Nobody claims some nubile young Latin American bride or even brown breasted mattress thrasher if you will, is going to be love struck by some old fat Gringo that hasn't seen his pecker in a decade due to the overhang. But in the real world there are lots of marriges of convenience that evolve into caring and love due the mutual amelioration of problems; either personal, financial, or mental. That is the real world. It is ideal? No. Is it real? Yes.


I don't practice this fetish, but I tell you what as I get older and look back I sure wish I would have when I was younger and single. I found a precocious young nymphet in the US, and when I married her she amazingly became mean as a snake, fat and sassy, and I love her dearly and she is an outstanding mother. What more can you ask for. Oh, yes and she was Hispanic.

I come to Latin American mainly to support my family and have a job, it is my reality. Along the way I have been able to improve many people's lives, among them many, many single mothers, young women with no future, and families in dire need. I can prove this and I have people that will vouch for this. I have bought formula for emaciated new borns when "papi" was out whoring around because his "mujer" still had an epesiotomy(sp. or whatever the cut is they make to a womans hooter when she gives birth). I have bribed policeman to beat the hell out of a man (34 years old) that beat the hell out of his 19 year old bride with two kids. I have seen and done a lot, as opposed to many I work and depend on the poor and downtrodden for my livelyhood. I do all I can to not exploit them and to give all women a safe, clean, and respectable place to work. My biggest "secret" in accomplishing the previous is to NOT HIRE LATIN MALES!!!! I am sure I miss some good ones, and I am sure this ain't exactly right. But I will err on the side of caution and play the best odds that I possibly can. Yes, I do discriminate against Latin males. No, I am not politically correct.

You take care and enjoy the view from 8000 ft, let us on the ground know if you ever want to wade into the real world. We will be waiting on you with baited breath.

The best post I have read on TRN .
I read your post twice and could not find one thing to disagree with. In over two decades of living in Central America ( 15 of them being single ) I find your take on Latin men to be spot on..
The good news? One could not design a more worthless competitor on the computer. Just by treating the women here with some diginty and respect you put yourself head and shoulders above the men in this part of the world. My parents were both Southerners and I was raised to respect women. Latin men were not. Years ago, I read an article in La Nation- Costa Rica- that said the average length of a sexual encounter in the U.S. was an hour, and in Costa Rica it was 15 minutes. Couple that with the abusive behavior of the men here and every gringo begins to look like Brad Pitt.
When I was single my dance card was always full. And I dont look like Brad Pitt (well maybe when I was younger) They dont get it and I doubt they ever will.
Viva Gringo!

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The best post I have read on TRN .
I read your post twice and could not find one thing to disagree with. In over two decades of living in Central America ( 15 of them being single ) I find your take on Latin men to be spot on..
The good news? One could not design a more worthless competitor on the computer. Just by treating the women here with some diginty and respect you put yourself head and shoulders above the men in this part of the world. My parents were both Southerners and I was raised to respect women. Latin men were not. Years ago, I read an article in La Nation- Costa Rica- that said the average length of a sexual encounter in the U.S. was an hour, and in Costa Rica it was 15 minutes. Couple that with the abusive behavior of the men here and every gringo begins to look like Brad Pitt.
When I was single my dance card was always full. And I dont look like Brad Pitt (well maybe when I was younger) They dont get it and I doubt they ever will.
Viva Gringo!

Yeah, go ahead keep believing that Gringos are gods gift to Latin women...