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    Dan that is one beautiful shot, and the history that goes with it of those that made or paid the ultimate price for our freedoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain John Wayne View Post
    Dan that is one beautiful shot, and the history that goes with it of those that made or paid the ultimate price for our freedoms.
    There is honor in service to a cause, a just cause?

    The beauty reflected in the photo for me is the autumn foliage and the rolling hills of Robert E. Lee's premises, not the tombstones signifying the death of some mother's son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertharvey View Post
    There is honor in service to a cause, a just cause?

    The beauty reflected in the photo for me is the autumn foliage and the rolling hills of Robert E. Lee's premises, not the tombstones signifying the death of some mother's son.
    DSB I know it is a terrable thing to have to give one's life for others to carry on, and I wloud to like to end all wars, but it will never be, You put your A$$ on the line don't forget and could have been one of those markers, but by the grace of Frog you are still with us and I thank you and many others for it.
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    It's as though those dead soldiers all still stand at attention, all uniform. The Fall colors speak to the sweet sorrow that is the final parting for families & friends left behind.

    It is the acid test for any government, especially a democracy with an all-volunteer army, that it can muster the citizens willing to put their lives on the line simply because that government asks them to do so. Patria = fatherland. Patriotism. It's part of those soldiers' individual identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    It's as though those dead soldiers all still stand at attention, all uniform. The Fall colors speak to the sweet sorrow that is the final parting for families & friends left behind.

    It is the acid test for any government, especially a democracy with an all-volunteer army, that it can muster the citizens willing to put their lives on the line simply because that government asks them to do so. Patria = fatherland. Patriotism. It's part of those soldiers' individual identity.
    Well said.
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    Korean War Veterans Memorial
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    That is an eerie one Dan
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    That was the first of Washington's military no win tactics that was not like wars in days gone by, with a complete and total surrender of the enemy.

    I freakin detest that in war, it is all, or stay the hell away and go deer hunting.

    I have a dear friend that spent 36 months in a North Korean prison Camp in those days, he was a marine as US Marine and they held the Enemy off of a hill for three days with rocks before getting to run down to fight any more without supplies.

    I love that man, he taught me to shoot and the right way.
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    Of all the memorials in DC...this one struck me the hardest. Beautifully done.
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    Soldier at the Tomb Of the Unknown Soldier

    "Soldiers never die until they are forgotten.
    Tomb Guards never forget”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danpolley View Post
    Soldier at the Tomb Of the Unknown Soldier

    "Soldiers never die until they are forgotten.
    Tomb Guards never forget”

    WEll done Dan, I anm proud of the MEN how have died in keeping us safe and those that put their lives on the line and some came out f*cked up in body and even in mind that put it all for the freedoms we enjoy.

    I love them all as one Man to another. I care not about who knows it, they are the reason and the only reason I exsist today, and I SALUTE them.

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    A friend of mine said they had visited the tomb of the unknown solidier when their son was very young. There was a ceremony where, if I recall correctly, the wreath was being changed. The marine in charge of the ceremony turned to the crowd and said that everyone who could stand was expected to stand.

    When my friend stood with his toddler in his arms, the marine walked directly to him and asked if his son was able to stand. When told, "yes" the marine promptly replied, "then he is to stand as well."

    Never too young to learn respect for those who died for our freedom. All gave some, some gave all.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart to all the men and women who have served. I hope I never forget that freedom isn't free.
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    Rules for the guard of the tomb of the unknown soldier

    How does the Guard rotation work? Is it an 8 hour shift?
    Currently, the Tomb Guards work on a three Relief (team) rotation - 24 hours on, 24 hours off, 24 hours on, 24 hours off, 24 hours on, 96 hours off. However, over the years it has been different. The time off isn't exactly free time. It takes the average Sentinel 8 hours to prep his/her uniform for the next work day. Additionally, they have Physical Training, Tomb Guard training, and haircuts to complete before the next work day.
    How many steps does the Guard take during his walk across the Tomb of the Unknowns and why?
    21 steps. It alludes to the twenty-one gun salute, which is the highest honor given any military or foreign dignitary.
    How long does the Sentinel hesitate after his about face to begin his return walk and does he carry his rifle on the same shoulder all the time, and if not, why not?
    He does not execute an about face. He stops on the 21st step, then turns and faces the Tomb for 21 seconds. Then he turns to face back down the mat, changes his weapon to the outside shoulder, counts 21 seconds, then steps off for another 21 step walk down the mat. He faces the Tomb at each end of the 21 step walk for 21 seconds. The Sentinel then repeats this over and over until he is relieved at the Guard Change.
    Why are his gloves wet?
    His gloves are moistened to improve his grip on the rifle.
    How often are the Guards changed?
    The Guard is changed every thirty minutes during the summer (April 1 to Sep 30) and every hour during the winter (Oct 1 to Mar 31). During the hours the cemetery is closed, the guard is changed every 2 hours. The Tomb is guarded, and has been guarded, every minute of every day since 1937.
    Is it true they must commit 2 years of life to guard the Tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives.
    No, this is a false rumor. The average tour at the Tomb is about a year. There is NO set time for service there. The Sentinels live either in a barracks on Ft. Myer (the Army post located adjacent to the cemetery) or off base if they like. They do have living quarters under the steps of the amphitheater where they stay during their 24 hour shifts, but when they are off, they are off. And if they are of legal age, they may drink anything they like, except while on duty.
    Is it true they cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives?
    Again, another false rumor.
    Is it true after two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as Guard of the Tomb, that there are only 400 presently worn, and that the Guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin?
    The Tomb Guard Identification Badge is awarded after the Sentinel passes a series of tests. The Badge is permanently awarded after a Sentinel has served 9 months as a Sentinel at the Tomb. Over 500 have been awarded since its creation in the late 1950's. And while the Badge can be revoked, the offense must be such that it discredits the Tomb. Revocation is at the Regimental Commander’s discretion. But you can drink a beer and even swear and still keep the Badge. The Badge is a full size award, worn on the right pocket of the uniform jacket, not a lapel pin.
    Are the shoes specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet?
    The shoes are standard issue military dress shoes. They are built up so the sole and heel are equal in height. This allows the Sentinel to stand so that his back is straight and perpendicular to the ground. A side effect of this is that the Sentinel can "roll" on the outside of the build up as he walks down the mat. This allows him to move in a fluid fashion. If he does this correctly, his hat and bayonet will appear to not "bob" up and down with each step. It gives him a more formal and smooth look to his walk, rather than a "marching" appearance.

    The soles have a steel tip on the toe and a "horseshoe" steel plate on the heel. This prevents wear on the sole and allows the Sentinel to move smoothly during his movements when he turns to face the Tomb and then back down the mat.

    Then there is the "clicker". It is a shank of steel attached to the inside of the face of the heel build-up on each shoe. It allows the Sentinel to click his heels during certain movements. If a guard change is really hot, it is called a "smoker" because all the heel clicks fall together and sound like one click. In fact, the guard change is occasionally done in the "silent" mode (as a sign of devotion to the Unknowns"). No voice commands - every thing is done in relation to the heel clicks and on specific counts.
    How many times will a Soldier be on duty during the shift?
    Each Relief (team) has a rotation during the 24 hour work day. This rotation is dependent on the number of Soldier-Sentinels who are proficient enough to guard the Tomb. The standard is 3-4 qualified Sentinels, 1-2 Relief Commander/Assistant Relief Commander, and 1-2 Sentinels in training. Generally, the Sentinel will be on guard duty for a tour and have two tours off in between - then go out for another tour. However, in extreme cases, Sentinels have been known to go back-to-back for the entire 24 hour shift.
    How do the Soldiers get to and from the quarters without being seen?
    Most wear civilian clothes - although the short, tight haircuts tend to give us away.
    There is a small green shack next to the Tomb. What is it for?
    "The Box" is used primarily during wreath-laying ceremonies for the Sentinel to retreat to while flowers and Taps are being presented. There also is a phone with a direct line downstairs to the Tomb Guard Quarters - this is used in times of emergencies or just to notify the next shift of something.
    Has anyone ever tried to get past the Tomb guards, or attempted to deface the Tomb?
    Yes, that is the reason why we now guard the Tomb. Back in the early 1920's, we didn't have guards and the Tomb looked much different (see attached picture). People often came to the cemetery in those days for picnics during which time some would actually use the Tomb as a picnic area (probably because of the view). Soon after, 1925, they posted a civilian guard; in 1926, a military guard was posted during cemetery hours; and on July 1, 1937, this was expanded to the 24-hour watch. Since then, the ceremony has developed throughout the years to what we have today. Today, most of the challenges faced by the Sentinels are tourists who want to get a better picture or uncontrolled children (which generally is very frightening for the parent when the Soldier challenges the child).
    What happened to the soldier that was in the Tomb from the Vietnam War?
    The remains of the Vietnam Unknown Soldier were exhumed May 14, 1998. Based on mitochondrial DNA testing, DoD scientists identified the remains as those of Air Force 1st Lt. Michael Joseph Blassie, who was shot down near An Loc, Vietnam, in 1972. It has been decided that the crypt that contained the remains of the Vietnam Unknown will remain vacant. (Further Background)(News Article from the Department of Defense)
    What is it like to guard in bad weather?
    The guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (we call ourselves "Sentinels") are completely dedicated to their duty of guarding the Tomb. Because of that dedication, the weather does not bother them. In fact, they consider it an honor to stand their watch (we call it "walking the mat"), regardless of the weather. It gets cold, it gets hot - but the Sentinels never budge. And they never allow any feeling of cold or heat to be seen by anyone.
    Do you guard in a blizzard or a bad thunderstorm?
    YES, BUT the accomplishment of the mission and welfare of the Soldier is never put at risk. The Tomb Guards have contingencies that are ready to be executed IF the weather conditions EVER place the Soldiers at risk of injury or death – such as lightning, high winds, etc. This ensures that Sentinels can maintain the Tomb Guard responsibilities while ensuring soldier safety. It is the responsibility of the Chain of Command from the Sergeant of the Guard to the Regimental Commander to ensure mission accomplishment and soldier welfare at all times.

    It was erroneously reported that during Hurricane Isabel, the Sentinels were ordered to abandon their posts for shelter and that they refused. No such order was ever given. All proper precautions were taken to ensure the safety of the Sentinels while accomplishing their mission. Risk assessments are constantly conducted by the Chain of Command during changing conditions to ensure that soldier welfare is maintained during mission accomplishment.

    Do you guard all night long, even when the cemetery is closed?
    The Tomb is guarded 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, there has been a Sentinel on duty in front of the Tomb every minute of every day since 1937. And the Sentinel does not change the way he guards the Tomb, even at night when there is no one around. The Sentinels do this because they feel that the Unknown Soldiers who are buried in the Tomb deserve the very best they have to give.
    How many Sentinels have been female?
    There have been 3 female Sentinels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randude View Post
    Rules for the guard of the tomb of the unknown soldier

    How does the Guard rotation work? Is it an 8 hour shift?
    Currently, the Tomb Guards work on a three Relief (team) rotation - 24 hours on, 24 hours off, 24 hours on, 24 hours off, 24 hours on, 96 hours off. However, over the years it has been different. The time off isn't exactly free time. It takes the average Sentinel 8 hours to prep his/her uniform for the next work day. Additionally, they have Physical Training, Tomb Guard training, and haircuts to complete before the next work day.

    Do you guard all night long, even when the cemetery is closed?
    The Tomb is guarded 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, there has been a Sentinel on duty in front of the Tomb every minute of every day since 1937. And the Sentinel does not change the way he guards the Tomb, even at night when there is no one around. The Sentinels do this because they feel that the Unknown Soldiers who are buried in the Tomb deserve the very best they have to give.
    How many Sentinels have been female?
    There have been 3 female Sentinels.
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    The Vietnam Veterans Memorial
    The Three Soldiers

    Memorial Wall

    Womens Memorial
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    I am so happy that others thought enough of me to risk and give it all for me.

    If you think I have forgotten that you got another thing coming.
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