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    Default Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Well it looks like my Romanian Nephew (in law?) is getting into the nitty gritty of buying some land up in Matagalpa..

    He sent me a survey and asked for help decoding the exact location.

    I am used to seeing similar paper for up here but the coordinates are more reflective to the actual lat and long up here.

    He received a map with coordinated of the angle points of the property. But the co-ordinates are coded differently.

    Eg X= AAAAAA.BBBB and Y= CCCCCC.DDDD

    I am assuming is is a lat long cross reference but I can not decode it as most of Nica is in the 84 and 12 deg range, so it is not Lat and long with a different decimal scheme..

    Google is not helping much with my choice of search terma as well..

    Anyone else have a secret decoder ring?

    Thanx
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    I looked at a couple of Nica surveys I have, and none have anything like that.

    Does it have a table of "Rumbas"?

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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    I looked at a couple of Nica surveys I have, and none have anything like that.

    Does it have a table of "Rumbas"?
    Rumbo .. Si'

    NXX.YYºW is the data points in that column.. (Some with a leading S as well)

    Tabe structure is
    Column 1.....Column 2....Column 3....Column 4.............Column 5
    EST. ....... Distancia.....RUMBO.....X= AAAAAA.BBBB....Y= CCCCCC.DDDD

    The Rumbo seems to referencing angles from the corner stake to head to the next stake. (e.g. the angle from stake #3 to stake #4 is almost 90º and the table references N84.12ºW)... Ahhh the "N" is a North angle and "S" is a south..

    Googling through lunch led me to believe that all these numbers are a grid references to the 9 markers that define the 57.53 mz plot... 40.53 ha..

    He has himself one hefty parcel of land there..

    But there is nothing to take the references to grid system back to a Lat and Long co-ord from?
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    No, I haven't seen a survey from any country where there's a Lat/Long to pinpoint it on, say, Google Earth. That could get the surveyor in trouble with Costa Rica.

    The rumbos have to have an angle and a distance. Maybe the characters to the left of the decimal are the angle, to the right is the distance? Never seen one written that way.

    Here's what I've seen for Nica surveys:

    EST...VA....Rumbo..............Distancia
    1.......2....S70deg11'22"W...76.27

    From point 1 to point 2 on the drawing, go South, 70 degrees bla bla bla West, 76.27 meters. Then 2 to 3, 3 to 4, etc.

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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Well I am pretty sure this is a grid reference here it is with blot out..

    AVPageView 6242011 25037 PM.jpg

    The survey for our house up here has lat and long in both the bottom right and top left corners of our Property..
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    Here's what I've seen for Nica surveys:

    EST...VA....Rumbo..............Distancia
    1.......2....S70deg11'22"W...76.27

    From point 1 to point 2 on the drawing, go South, 70 degrees bla bla bla West, 76.27 meters. Then 2 to 3, 3 to 4, etc.
    My survey looks like Bills. My only comment is to read the above, I would translate it as:

    Starting at pin 1 then while looking south the bearing to the west (right) is 70 degrees (from south) bla bla bla then go 76.27 meters and there is pin 2.

    Don't know if this helps but it helped me. Should be easy to plot with a CAD program.
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    The N30.29deg.W refers to a vector like Tom said. Start at point 1 and imagine a line running toward due North. Then start rotating on the azimuth toward the West, till you've gone through 30.29 degrees of arc. Then 116.97 meters along that line is point number 2. Continue until the figure closes. (It may or may not close perfectly; don't expect 100% closure. But the Nica surveys I've used close more closely than many US surveys I've used.)

    The characters you partially blotted out (for whatever reason ) might refer to raw surveyor data or something, not really sure.

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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Looks like your nephew in law owns the State of Georgia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    Looks like your nephew in law owns the State of Georgia.
    I beg your pardon, Jonh! Say what? I didn't know Ted Turner was Bill's nephew-in-law!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixietraveller View Post
    I beg your pardon, Jonh! Say what? I didn't know Ted Turner was Bill's nephew-in-law!
    I didn't know Ted Turner was Romanian!

    Bill did say it was a large parcel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    I didn't know Ted Turner was Romanian!

    Bill did say it was a large parcel...
    Maybe Turner has moved to Rome (Ga) and Bill meant to say Roman. Turner obviously took the addage, "Buy land; they're not making any more of it!" very seriously!

    On a serious note, that is truly a remarkable resemblance to the state!
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    I blotted them out until I am 100% sure that they are not some sort of Lat / Long sub code.. It is not my plot and don't want to let any inappropriate (e.g. too much) info out in the public domain..

    And yes it does look a lot like GA now that you mention it..

    I think I am not saying too much by saying "El Cua" area... And from what I have read El Cua is well off the beaten pat.. (e.g. WiWilli is the big city compared to El Cua)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    . . . I think I am not saying too much by saying "El Cua" area... And from what I have read El Cua is well off the beaten pat.. (e.g. WiWilli is the big city compared to El Cua)
    El Cua looks like a thriving community. . . .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK18MZHCqLQ

    Nice hotel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv16nEkBXR8&NR=1

    with a nice "cosina" [sic]
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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    I've always loved the name Wiwili.

    I guess 'cause I'd be the biggest in town...

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    Looks like the code is WGS84 he has found out from another source.

    So good thing I did not put all of it..

    The plan shows a road running through the plot so it may not be as out in the sticks as I thought...

    I hope he does well but still fear he is jumping too fast.. Time will tell..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    I've always loved the name Wiwili.

    I guess 'cause I'd be the biggest in town...
    Reminds me of the poem "Wee Willie Winkie" that I listened too many a time growing up!

    Wee Willie Winkie rins through the toon,
    Up stairs an' doon stairs in his nicht-gown,
    Tirlin' at the window, crying at the lock,
    "Are the weans in their bed, for it's now ten o'clock?"

    I never knew it was Scottish; I got the "Americanized" version!

    Wee Willie Winkie runs through the town,
    Up stairs and down stairs in his night-gown,
    Tapping at the window,
    crying at the lock,
    Are the children in their bed, for it's past ten o'clock?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wee_Willie_Winkie
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    The modern version would include checking the sex offender database for "Winkie, Wee Willie."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    The modern version would include checking the sex offender database for "Winkie, Wee Willie."
    We'll hope that when Wee Willie grew up that he didn't continue to run around town in his his nightgown tapping at the windows!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixietraveller View Post
    We'll hope that when Wee Willie grew up that he didn't continue to run around town in his his nightgown tapping at the windows!
    O.K. fess up time, how many still run around town in their nightgowns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    The modern version would include checking the sex offender database for "Winkie, Wee Willie."
    That stuff is getting so silly up here that there is talking of making knowledge of a listed sex offender a condition of sale..

    So if Mary and Jo Smith want to sell their house and Wi Willi Pedi (reg offender) lives on the block and Mary and Jo smith have been made aware of that, it has to be disclosed in the listing... It ha yet to pass but chances are that it will.
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    Does brain freeze effect the majority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    That stuff is getting so silly up here that there is talking of making knowledge of a listed sex offender a condition of sale..

    So if Mary and Jo Smith want to sell their house and Wi Willi Pedi (reg offender) lives on the block and Mary and Jo smith have been made aware of that, it has to be disclosed in the listing... It ha yet to pass but chances are that it will.
    Some States here require a disclosure that there's an airport somewhat near a house for sale, so that later the new residents can't suddenly bitch about airplane noise that's been happening for the last 60 years.

    That plus lead, radon, asbestos, and other disclosures, it's no wonder closings take all day with a mile high stack of papers to sign.

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    Default Re: Land co-ordinates on Nicaraguan Land Survey - Question

    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    That stuff is getting so silly up here that there is talking of making knowledge of a listed sex offender a condition of sale..

    So if Mary and Jo Smith want to sell their house and Wi Willi Pedi (reg offender) lives on the block and Mary and Jo smith have been made aware of that, it has to be disclosed in the listing... It ha yet to pass but chances are that it will.

    Wow...that is like .... I think they called it "block busting" where in the US, they moved in a black family and then bought the surrounding houses on the cheap.

    Sounds like a business opportunity...."Sex offenders for rent".
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    Maybe that's why the real estate bubble burst - people figured out who their neighbors really were!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Corn Tom View Post
    Wow...that is like .... I think they called it "block busting" where in the US, they moved in a black family and then bought the surrounding houses on the cheap.

    Sounds like a business opportunity...."Sex offenders for rent".
    , Damn LCT, I wasn't ready for that comment, Thank Frog I had nothing in my mouth to spew all over this Laptop.

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