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    So over the past 30 or so months I have put bits and pieces on our plot scattered amongst generic older house building threads and all packed threads and the like.

    This thread is meant to collect all of those disjointed bits as the rubber meets the road visit.

    Chilo was sent a video , a couple videos actually, of a reliable clean up family that my BIL has found.

    The lot was stripped to the soil, the cuttings burned, and scattered trash cleaned up as well. It now clear that the lot is "Clear". More on that later.

    The video also shows the cobble stone has passed our front entrance (was dirt road Nov 2015) and new neighbors across the boulevard.

    So the plot is in a group of 24 about 800m north of the Maxi Pali in Masaya. Our plot is one of the mid sized ones of 35x75 foot with nonsquare ends. some were 25x75. There is a boulevard that runs down the center of the collection/neighborhood. Guess of the entire subdivision is maybe 200 foot wide by 400 foot deep. We all share a spiffy new DN/DS transformer taken off the 22Kv mains traversing between (I am guessing) Carlos Fonseca 2 (Bunker generating stating) and Masaya.

    We have the plot facing the main street. the lot directly behind us is empty (but sold) and the lot right behind that one, is occupied, with what looks like a younger couple with 2 kids and a 10 to 12 yr old Hyundai (But not a beater.)

    The fellow who developed the plot lives on our side of the boulivard, about 3/4 down towards the back, with a double lot (so 150 x 75)

    To the east of this development is another of those cookie cutter developments called "Las Vagas" which had 3 houses in Nov 2015, Google maps now shows at least 2 more houses built.

    Across the newly cobbled street, to the North west, is another development we do not know much about yet. This area looks to be 2X larger than our development with a more meandering road structure. Unlike our development, there appears to be a cobble stone street already with just one house built according to Google maps.

    The plan for this trip is barbed wire fence, as first level, and to see if reliable builder buddy can be commissioned to build a real block fence. This is reference is for the front (street) facing facade to stop (assumed) property cross cutting.

    The family who did the cleaning looks really encouraging as help to build. Looks like it is a middle aged couple with a couple boys who were recently bequeathed some land close to Masaya. They invited my BIL and SIL to their compound of what looks like 50' by 200' plot that they have built a bamboo fenced compound (to about 7') and a 20x20 Zink clad house in (get this) 2 weeks ! They were at our plot to clean it within 2 days of being asked and mowed down 3' of over growth within 4 hours. Even burning out the roots of two nasty vines in the center of the plot.

    The mason fellow is supposedly in town for our visit (Well it is SS so I guess it is not that suprising) . He regularly is out to Managua and Granada doing jobs. A pleasant surprise (from our Nov '15 trip) was finding out that he actually lives within a couple 100 m of our plot.

    Chilo knows a lady who actually has a cement block business and has what seems to be a good deal (example C$50 for a 24"x24"x3" block) Have to buy a couple and sledge them to see what it is for strength.

    Only thing missing now is a rebar source for the posts and cross pieces for the fence. That is one thing to dig in too.

    Will drop a bunch of photos once we actually touch down ...
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    Unsolicited advise for anyone building.
    1- Bring in sufficient balastre and selecto to build up your lot higher than the curb and plan on the house higher than that.
    2- think of a shed to store materials during construction. One more than 20 feet would be nice to fit the iron which comes in 6m lengths.
    3 ask around about hierro corugado--for 2 story you probably want 1/2 inch tico estandard. Lots of different sizes and qualities are sold, even in the same ferreterria. Your mason will have a suggestion, make sure he is on quality mode, not cheap mode.
    4 Remember your lot must drain to the street, not the neighbor. If you have a back yard, a sump and a 4 inch pipe to the street will need to go in.
    5- plan on guarding everything, from thieves, rain, rat, etc.. Piedra cantera tends not to walk away, but smaller masonry units do.

    Happy homebuilding

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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    Unsolicited advise for anyone building.

    1- Bring in sufficient balastre and selecto to build up your lot higher than the curb and plan on the house higher than that.
    Actually yea - Forgot about that - Will pen it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    2- think of a shed to store materials during construction. One more than 20 feet would be nice to fit the iron which comes in 6m lengths.
    20' Containers is the mode - One will be the "keeper" of goods. The Lady Chilo knows with the blocks appears to be fine with dropping off 2 days of material at a time. So we will have less of a batch of stuff to watch / loose.

    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    3 ask around about hierro corugado--for 2 story you probably want 1/2 inch tico estandard. Lots of different sizes and qualities are sold, even in the same ferreterria. Your mason will have a suggestion, make sure he is on quality mode, not cheap mode.
    For this one the container block will have a brick fascia - It (the faciia) will be rebarred, but not the actual structural support.

    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    4 Remember your lot must drain to the street, not the neighbor. If you have a back yard, a sump and a 4 inch pipe to the street will need to go in.
    There is no sidewalk yet, nor curb I think, so it should be pretty easy to fit now.

    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    5- plan on guarding everything, from thieves, rain, rat, etc.. Piedra cantera tends not to walk away, but smaller masonry units do.
    That is for sure - Chilo's 2 oldest SIL is planning to move back in Nov (she is back there now for a 3 month visit) and the plan would be to 1/2 finish the first 20' container block (1 story, 20x20 block) and she would live there as work progressed from there.
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    We have the barbed wire fence placed - BIL took it upon himself to put in (what looks like) 5 strands of barbed from ground up to the 5 foot level. Have some so so pix sent up which I will have Chilo pull off her phone and put here.
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    So here is a kick at the can...

    Most likely we will step and repeat this 3 times over 5 to 7 years. By step and repeat I mean build in 3 20x 32 foot sections. THe first one being ours, the other 2 for rent out. If rent out does not work we will leave it at 2 sections leaving a 25x35 left over compound.

    What you see here is 20' wide by 32ish feet deep. THe 3rd story will most likely be "Mostly" open. Meaning something 1/2 to 3/4 of the wall will be solid or opaque and the remainder bars.

    Put a note on for the "Street" side.

    This will be surrounded by an at least 6' stone fence for the compound, but it may actually be the stone fascia of the house at the same time.. Still stewing on that..
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    After I hit 70, I started looking at 2 and 3 story houses differently. All I see here is steps!
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    but,but,but, steps keep you young...

    other note--you are not allowed to have windows on the sides or back of your house if you build on the property lines. Kinda stuffy. One of the best advantages of multistory is the air circulation, but you have to build in about 5 feet.

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    The upper floors are for the in-laws and out-laws. Make them hobble up and down the stairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    The upper floors are for the in-laws and out-laws. Make them hobble up and down the stairs.

    Yeah...with outside stairs and an outside entrance.
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    This was aound 11:30 - They hope to get 6' dug today, and the rest tomorrow - It will be 4 Varas deep. by their measure / quote
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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    other note--you are not allowed to have windows on the sides or back of your house if you build on the property lines. Kinda stuffy. One of the best advantages of multistory is the air circulation, but you have to build in about 5 feet.
    5' total (2.5 each side) or each side 5' (10' total) The side to the left of Front is another street, 55 feet to the right of the structure is boulevard of the development.

    Behind is abutted to the next property so it would be that wall I would have to pull in...
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    5 feet on the side where you want windows. You are good on the sides that face streets as you are not looking at the neighbors yard.
    No tellin what you might see if you saw the neighbor's yard!

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    Here is a cool roof sheeting available at Feromax. It is a corrogated zink, but with flat tops and troughs.

    It is also sold in "Your measurement here" sheets so you can avoid joints from the standard zink sheets.

    The insert photo does not seem to work with Google share at the moment so I tossed in a link.. I'll do the same with the shopping list below.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/zAuhcaRcAIbGnyru1
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    It is weaker than the same gauge in corrugated. because of the design. OK on walls, especially minifaldas.. The in thing in the last couple years is the red zin that looks like tiles. Make sure you get all you roof stuff like combreras at the same time or at the same place because they are different brands and not compatible.

    Just had Ferromax chop us some roof yesterday for our new kitchen. The roof is not visible from anywhere so we went with aluminized zin. Its prettier and coloer than zin zin.
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    Here is a cool roof sheeting available at Feromax. It is a corrogated zink, but with flat tops and troughs.


    It is also sold in "Your measurement here" sheets so you can avoid joints from the standard zink sheets.

    The insert photo does not seem to work with Google share at the moment so I tossed in a link.. I'll do the same with the shopping list below.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/zAuhcaRcAIbGnyru1

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    One thing that has been consistent is the endless solicitation to use this that or the other electrician.

    Well Nuck that Foise...

    This will be my job :-)

    I am humming and hawing whether to send down Romex (I have a 30M roll lying around) or whether to just send down a good 300M of 14awg Green. I am leaning to the 14AWG green and just have the hired help pull it with a pair of White and black. Mind you I do not see a lot of black in installs here seeming to be mostly Red.

    TBut anyways - he entire place will be wired with a right proper single ground - Single point ground to what is still TBD, but it will be a start.
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    Find a real electrical store, here in Esteli it is Cubas Electricas. You will almost be amazed at what they have, include romex , exterior boxes, and octagonal light boxes for lights. Even their simple stuff like plugs and switches can be found in better quality than Sinsa/ Aguila.

    a relative just got 3 electrical bids for his remodel. They varied from 4000 cords to 15000 cords for the same job. We think the key phrase "relative in the States" was a factor.
    As far as wire, I am not sold on Nica multifilament which they really push, I use solido.

    Alas, my poor little woman was told to buy a few feet of "12 gauge cable". to hook up our street lights. I told her that meant plain ole wire. Cost her to run the gauntlet to get to Cubas Electricas where they sold her plain ole wire. Boy was she surprized. Never listen to the old gringo.
    They also sold her some light bulbs that didn't work because Sinsa lost ours. Luckily Disnorte made good on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    One thing that has been consistent is the endless solicitation to use this that or the other electrician.

    Well Nuck that Foise...

    This will be my job :-)

    I am humming and hawing whether to send down Romex (I have a 30M roll lying around) or whether to just send down a good 300M of 14awg Green. I am leaning to the 14AWG green and just have the hired help pull it with a pair of White and black. Mind you I do not see a lot of black in installs here seeming to be mostly Red.

    TBut anyways - he entire place will be wired with a right proper single ground - Single point ground to what is still TBD, but it will be a start.

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    Went to do a walk around today -
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    Found out what the lots are across the street - They have a facebook page - A little on the high side - $49,000 - Financing @ 4500 down..

    https://www.facebook.com/residencialElCoyotepe/
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    New transformer (Sept 2015) from the bunker plant down the street - 22kv mains I am told...

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    It gets better (in a good way)

    So BIL starts talking to a fellow 2 plots down that has already built. Buddy wants to sell.

    SIL who is down here is interested in going partially with him. The 2 can have separate rooms there (SIL wants to move back as well)

    Well, the house was bought and it was to be a surprise for us (Chilo and I ) last week - But SIL somehow got cold feet and wanted all of her cash back so the BIL had to come up with a bunch of cash to close the deal - Which he did Friday. He still has a 70 x 150 lot just off the Car Masays before the police checkpoint by Coyotepe.

    He now has a new 35' x 75' lot with a 24 x 27(ish) house - A 10 x 17 covered front porch and a good back lot. It still needs some work (Like an attached shitter)





    We went with him today to price fence blocks. He needs it enclosed so he can head back to Canada for 2 weeks to close up some business.


    So now we have the BIL 2 houses away to have supervised construction done on some fence parts and maybe some footings for the cantainer, which Chilo is warming too now.
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    Did not get out there yesterday after light ran out after errands.

    There is a wood plank for forms hiccup this AM so have to go and see whats up.

    Material bill (Less the forms and PVC pipe) is 8998 cords. Got two cords back in change. :-)
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    Lets see if the Fazebook video sticks... This was today as the forming for the top wrapped up

    https://www.facebook.com/bill.blylev...4801194561537/

    And here is a pix of the final depth - Looks like almost 14' to me..



    You might wonder about cave in, but the fellow said it is how it is done and others confirmed it - Time will tell I guess - The soil was very well compacted so I am not completely doubtful.
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    So last Wed or Thurs a bunch was at BIL Daniel's house, about 8 people.

    Luis (Back for the first time since '84) Marta, Marta's Daughter, her husband, their boy and a few more.

    As they were eating a fellow walks down the main street with his 5 cows, cuts out barbed wire and proceeds to graze his cows on our lot.

    All of the family comes out from BIL house and starts yelling at the farmer - He yells back - "Jiputas" bouncing back and forth (including you 2 yr old at the top of his lungs)

    Cow man eventually relents and takes his bovine elsewhere.

    BIL is getting the fence repaired.
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    Gotta nip it in the bud!

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    Build de wall! 3 meters is the standard, plus another .5 m for the serpentina. We only did ours 5 piedras high, about 8.5 feet because on a small lot the standard wall is a little claustrophobic. Build the wall first, before the house. It was a colossal pita to have 5 men running around all 4 sides of the house for 8 weeks. The first week we paid a separate muchacho to work under our direction pruning, killing, and transplanting our ornament plants so the masons could work. We were also reintroduced to the world of lodo. Years ago we had covered the clay soil with selecto. Well, you know Nic. construction--every 3 m they have to dig out a cubic meter of clay to do the footing. My, my how sticky black clay moves around.
    Build de wall, build it first and build it tall.

    It is amazing the privacy and shade we now have, and it helps a little with the noise. Even our yapping dogs don't bark any more at things on the side and back of the property.

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