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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    Remember Ken Kinzel's story as it played out in Esteli? It should be required reading for all old 'swinging Richards' expats visiting Nicaragua on Viagra.
    A romance in 12 (Rather large) "Parts" - The story was a hack job...
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    Determine where you can cut your losses, you are some kind of Fucked, and you know that. See what their price is, that is what you need. The lawyers I know make Paul Tiffer look Bargain Basement.

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    Determine where you can cut your losses, you are some kind of Fucked, and you know that. See what their price is, that is what you need. The lawyers I know make Paul Tiffer look Bargain Basement.

    Look at the big picture.
    I eventually had to do the same thing. I paid a Nicaraguan woman who used and abused me for a divorce (even though we were only together a year, had no shared property, and no children) just to get her out of my life. It was worth every penny to be free from her and that terrible situation, and I counted myself lucky that it didn't go worse. She threatened to kill me. She tried to jail me. She still tries to sabotage my life via social media. She is a human plague. I imagine that William Congreve was thinking of a woman like her when he wrote, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

    It sounds to me like you've found a woman of the same ilk. My advice is to run. Run fast and run far.

    Looking back at my own experience, the only think that I wish that I had done was to get out of there quicker. The worst things happened because I let a bad situation fester.
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    Webtrainer: You are now suffering from the after effects of a bite of the mundane by appearance, but lethal in venom "Brown Breasted Mattress Thrasher". This is a common species in LatAm, and in Nicaragua they travel and associate with their paks/covens for basically eternity. A wound by this species is very similar to a bite/sting from a Brown Recluse Spider, but much longer lasting, but with more rot and festering. Cookshow's advice is gospel, cut your losses how and the best way you can. If you can ransom the child, try to do so in a manner that gives you legal right to take the child out of Nicaragua. The mother has to sign all kinds of things in blood and such, but get the hell away from that mess. Be very wary of being bled dry with little bits of hope and small tokens of reconciliation and or accommodation. I hope things work out, and just remember that the child is growing everyday and that whatever you now do should be set towards extracting that child from the jaws of dysfunction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGV AG View Post
    Webtrainer: You are now suffering from the after effects of a bite of the mundane by appearance, but lethal in venom "Brown Breasted Mattress Thrasher". This is a common species in LatAm, and in Nicaragua they travel and associate with their paks/covens for basically eternity. A wound by this species is very similar to a bite/sting from a Brown Recluse Spider, but much longer lasting, but with more rot and festering. Cookshow's advice is gospel, cut your losses how and the best way you can. If you can ransom the child, try to do so in a manner that gives you legal right to take the child out of Nicaragua. The mother has to sign all kinds of things in blood and such, but get the hell away from that mess. Be very wary of being bled dry with little bits of hope and small tokens of reconciliation and or accommodation. I hope things work out, and just remember that the child is growing everyday and that whatever you now do should be set towards extracting that child from the jaws of dysfunction.



    Yes, your child is what counts here. There are scores of BBMT's (this alone would have gotten you banned from the Leon FaceBookGroup) but your son is unique and precious and, more importantly, he needs you.

    Are you staying in Nicaragua?

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    Swinging Richard meets the Brown Breasted Mattress Thrasher in the steamy tropics of Nicaragua - Marvel Comics may be interested in buying the rights to this story.


    Clearly the Aggie knows of what he speaks. Ransom the kid, find a parachute and jump. What was your property is theirs now. I would be amazed if you get the legal right to take your son out of the country. But if you had him long enough to secret him across the border . . . you would not be the first to do such.
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    I suspect that this will eventually play out somewhat in his favor, in terms of getting his property back,, except:

    He will have a tough time getting custody from the family. They seem very vindictive and will use the child to taunt and punish him.

    Does the child have a passport? Can you set up some visitation scam to get the opportunity to get him one? He'll need photos for the application,, and I had to hold up (very) young Sebastian to the passport window. Guy was probably thinking,,, all these babies look the same.


    Bringing Sebastian back into Nicaragua: I had notarized custodianship paperwork that I downloaded from one of the legal help sites.You customize the paperwork on-line and print out the finished product. Free notary stamps from the bank. Looked really official (and was).

    No one looked at the paperwork until we got to Nicaragua,, all the other borders just stamped his passport. We came in at Espino, and they knew who he was, remembered Ariana leaving 8 months pregnant (hard to forget THAT).Shelley was with me so that might have made the difference, who knows?
    Anticipating future problems here,, the father's name on the birth certificate was "no conocido"
    That helped a lot!
    Of course, you can't do that with the mother

    In Arizona you can change that "unknown" to the father's name for a small fee until the child is 18. I've considered adding my own name,, it would be a lot cleaner and easier than adopting him.
    Ariana would have to do it,, of course.
    I don't even think that the father's consent is required (surprise,, surprise, as the child support people arrive looking for $93,276.14 in back child support).


    Once in the US I don't think you will have a problem.
    "Mother is in Nicaragua,, abandoned the child. "

    Staying here, I think you will be forever held hostage. Even if you sign over your property to acquire custody,, they will be back in a year or two or five looking for more,, using the kid as a lever.I like what that young guy in Granada did a couple of years ago after running this guy down and killing him (actually much more to the story):

    Gave the family a small sum and promised them more if he could get to the US to get it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by drlemcor View Post
    I eventually had to do the same thing. I paid a Nicaraguan woman who used and abused me for a divorce (even though we were only together a year, had no shared property, and no children) just to get her out of my life. It was worth every penny to be free from her and that terrible situation, and I counted myself lucky that it didn't go worse. She threatened to kill me. She tried to jail me. She still tries to sabotage my life via social media. She is a human plague. I imagine that William Congreve was thinking of a woman like her when he wrote, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

    It sounds to me like you've found a woman of the same ilk. My advice is to run. Run fast and run far.

    Looking back at my own experience, the only think that I wish that I had done was to get out of there quicker. The worst things happened because I let a bad situation fester.

    No fool like an old fool comes to mind. One of the expats in the Matagalpa area married her horse wrangler who'd been borrowing money from her before they fell into bed and then matrimony. I'm curious as to how that one will work out.

    A guy who lived in Costa Rica said that no respectable woman under 40 will be seen with gringo men since the women who are with them are likely to be whores. I don't think Nicaragua is quite that bad, but marrying people you just met because you're lonely is a recipe for disaster in any culture. People who are afraid of over-needy people back off (in Jinotega, it would take one of us a year to actually have local friends rather than be the target of various hustlers, including other gringos.

    Mike's marriage lasted a while, but one issue that I saw when I visited him was that the whole family moved in: mother-in-law, father-in-law, sisters, nephews. The fantasy is both that we have seriously better money than they collectively have and that we'll continue giving forever. People really need to understand this -- as well as understand that some of the expats see other expats the same way. I didn't have as much trouble from Nicaraguans as I had from one of the expats who tried to hustle me.

    If you're going to marry a Nicaraguan, marry someone who's lived in your culture for a while, or wait until you've figured out how to meet a better class of Nicaraguan women.

    It's a very different culture. Buying into the fantasies of women who are feminine and subservient will break you faster than realizing the women see you as slightly stupid because your Spanish is imperfect and imagine that you're both rich and gullible (which is, unfortunately, more true as cliches go than the gringo male's fantasy of the feminine woman looking for a strong man to take care of her).

    The anger over losing what was imagined to be a forever financial gain isn't limited to women, either.

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    The hurdle in dealing with the US consular services is proving Mikey is Mike's son. They require DNA tests often in situations like these (one funny one was a guy doubting the kid wasn't really his and the DNA test said nope, his child). There's procedure required by Consular services to get a passport for a child with an American parent -- follow the links from the US Embassy website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizBrown View Post
    One of the expats in the Matagalpa area married her horse wrangler who'd been borrowing money from her before they fell into bed and then matrimony. I'm curious as to how that one will work out.

    Typically that story would be a Gem, but I am guessing that one is a Jewl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MizBrown View Post
    The hurdle in dealing with the US consular services is proving Mikey is Mike's son. They require DNA tests often in situations like these (one funny one was a guy doubting the kid wasn't really his and the DNA test said nope, his child). There's procedure required by Consular services to get a passport for a child with an American parent -- follow the links from the US Embassy website.
    I was gonna suggest a DNA test before this guy does something silly, but then lack of "proper" DNA is not the boys fault now is it?

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    There are nice women in Nic, but in addition to MizBrown's comments above, you have to watch the age categories:

    0 to 18, not legal
    18 to 30, not reliable
    30 and up, worn out

    Life in Nic, is a hardship tour and double that in the life robbing, mind robbing countryside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    There are nice women in Nic, but in addition to MizBrown's comments above, you have to watch the age categories:

    0 to 18, not legal
    18 to 30, not reliable
    30 and up, worn out

    Life in Nic, is a hardship tour and double that in the life robbing, mind robbing countryside.

    Dwarf has a pretty accurate account of it.

    Lot of ways I was real lucky in that on the Island I fell in with people in the know so I had a good understanding of every ones Family situation. Cannot imagine randomly finding a mate and the hazards that it provides.

    The under 30 are fun, were raised watching Porn, but usually bigger pain in the ass than I can tolerate. The over 30 crowd is not all worn out, lot had 1 kid, got their life together and while not looking a relationship are open to occasional romance.
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    As of now - a day over 2 weeks from beginning the campaign - webtrainer has a total of $1,750 on gofundme.com (assuming all is receivable) toward a goal of $4,200. He's on a roll.

    He's been advised to seek Paul Berman - a SJdS real estate broker ??

    Speaking of romance formulae, I found this on P.B.'s FB page,
    https://www.facebook.com/iSEENTit/vi...4374007520888/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post

    Speaking of romance formulae, I found this on P.B.'s FB page,
    https://www.facebook.com/iSEENTit/vi...4374007520888/
    LMAO!
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    I've seen this elsewhere--amazing someone could assemble so much wisdom in one place!

    Black pigeon also has some good videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOMkl3ApTK0

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    You would be correct. I know people who advised her not to do it, but she did it. She also got her buildings finished quicker than a lot of the guys who yammer about their plans. She also changed course from wanting to do a hotel to wanting to take in long term resident retirees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizBrown View Post
    You would be correct. I know people who advised her not to do it, but she did it. . . .
    I'm having a little trouble following this. Is the 'you' Bill? who, 7 posts earlier, wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    . . . I am guessing that one is a Jewl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MizBrown View Post
    No fool like an old fool comes to mind. One of the expats in the Matagalpa area married her horse wrangler who'd been borrowing money from her before they fell into bed and then matrimony. I'm curious as to how that one will work out.

    A guy who lived in Costa Rica said that no respectable woman under 40 will be seen with gringo men since the women who are with them are likely to be whores. I don't think Nicaragua is quite that bad, but marrying people you just met because you're lonely is a recipe for disaster in any culture. People who are afraid of over-needy people back off (in Jinotega, it would take one of us a year to actually have local friends rather than be the target of various hustlers, including other gringos.

    Mike's marriage lasted a while, but one issue that I saw when I visited him was that the whole family moved in: mother-in-law, father-in-law, sisters, nephews. The fantasy is both that we have seriously better money than they collectively have and that we'll continue giving forever. People really need to understand this -- as well as understand that some of the expats see other expats the same way. I didn't have as much trouble from Nicaraguans as I had from one of the expats who tried to hustle me.

    If you're going to marry a Nicaraguan, marry someone who's lived in your culture for a while, or wait until you've figured out how to meet a better class of Nicaraguan women.

    It's a very different culture. Buying into the fantasies of women who are feminine and subservient will break you faster than realizing the women see you as slightly stupid because your Spanish is imperfect and imagine that you're both rich and gullible (which is, unfortunately, more true as cliches go than the gringo male's fantasy of the feminine woman looking for a strong man to take care of her).

    The anger over losing what was imagined to be a forever financial gain isn't limited to women, either.
    Me thinks Miz. Brown needs a nomination to "Oracle of TRN", the above about nails it.

    I spent many years as a single man working in apparel plants in various countries south of Brownsville and didn't marry until I was almost 40. I admired many a BBMT, and lusted after many, but from experience of being reared in Mexico and then deep South Texas I knew the pitfalls.

    The only advice that I can offer, that might possibly be accurate and correct, for expats that get involved with a Older/younger BBMT type deal is always, always, stay in control. The only thing universally understood in LatAm is being in and remaining in a position of strength and control. Doesn't mean one has to be ugly or mean, just firm, crystal clear and exceedingly direct. Otherwise extended many LatAm, especially Nicaraguan, families will give new meaning to trampling one underfoot and then pillaging on the rebound.

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    "Lead, follow, or get out of the way"

    People out there in cyber space should cut the Camelot thing and realize that Nic. is a failed nation that lives on charity and remittances and has a self-impoverishing culture and politics. Like the professional and rich Nicas, live here but keep your distance from the mass. In particular, Americans tend to come here with the "poor are the salt of the earth" mentality. If you survive, you come to see that the poor are just as likely to be the scourge of the earth.

    Stay in control is right. Once you scratch the surface you find that Nic. is a culture of fear and privilege and its natural form of government is the oligarchy. The question is which oligarchy, and how damaging they are to you and yours.

    As Cookshow pointed out, get to know the players and their families and the schisms within the families.
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    There's PhD level wisdom in this thread. We should charge hefty fees for the privilege of reading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    I'm having a little trouble following this. Is the 'you' Bill? who, 7 posts earlier, wrote:
    Yep, he's a member of the group she posts in a lot; I just lurk there because I would have to sit on my fingers. I'm beginning to think if the marriage doesn't blow up in her face, that the women who come here are even at worst more sensible than the men. If it blows up in her face, I won't be among those who told her to bed him, not wed him. She has posted that his family hasn't asked her for loans. He's quite a bit younger than she is.

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    ". . . .She has posted that his family hasn't asked her for loans. He's quite a bit younger than she is...."

    Wait, I'm confused here, He is Nicaraguan? Family hasn't asked for money?
    Maybe they don't know about her?? He's married with a bunch of kids and is keeping the Gringa a secret??

    What other possibility is there.

    We're all so cynical. .
    We need someone to chime in with a story of true love.

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    We need someone to chime in with a story of true love. A Nicaraguan Fairly Tale so to speak


    Waiting . . . . . .

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    My wife, her mom, aunts and uncles came to the US in the '80s. One aunt was married to a violent drug addict who later died after she brought their two daughters up here. One daughter now has a "non-traditional" family, the other is 33 and just now getting married. Two aunts have traditional stable families with average amounts of drama or less. My father in law is a rogue. Mulitple children from multiple wives and mistresses, keeps buying and selling farms, nothing much to show for his life. He and my wife don't speak. She and I have been married for 23 years with no particular drama. Her half brother is in prison in Nicaragua for drug possession.

    We have borrowed and given money sometimes, knowing there's no such thing as a loan. My wife does get wracked with guilt if we don't repay what we borrow from family members.

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