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    Nicaragua's 'second confirmed' case of CoV-19 popped into la Clinica San Jose, a block from where we live in Leon. Today's La Prensa does not mention this is where he was, just that he's a Nica recently arrived from Colombia, is HIV positive, has diabetes and hypertension. His CoV condition is described as being advanced. La Chaya probably wanted to keep it unknown that he showed up in Leon, to avoid panic. But FB had plenty of news on it. Plus my sis'n-law was told by a nurse who works in the clinic. The clinic is a hemodialysis center that treats patients without functioning kidneys; many come in weekly by bus from Chichigalpa where Pellas' San Antonio sugar and FdC plants are located. Too many sugar cane workers there suffer from chronic kidney disease. And many of these patients cling to life by a thread - exposure to CoV could very well result in many deaths. He was isolated immediately. (He later may have been taken to Managua.)

    Chloroquine is an old anti-malarial drug that was tested as an antiviral with AIDS patients. It was used with apparent success in South Korea and China to combat CoV. It is being used on CoV patients in a hospital in NY. And, I suspect, liberally in Germany, since that's where most is made (Bayer), and they have astonishingly few deaths due to CoV compared to other countries that have had 20,000+ cases of CoV infection. Big Pharma hates it cause it's cheap and the patents expired on it some 80 years ago. Trump is bullish on it; he got Bayer to donate 3 million tablets to the USA. But he got ripped into by an NBC reporter at yesterday's press conference cause the CDC has not approved it to combat CoV. Dr. Fauci said there's no scientific proof that it'll be effective against CoV; clinical trials must be done and analyzed. It is currently used to treat lupus (Daniel has it) and rheumatoid arthritis, with few (mild) side effects. Silicon Valley is pumped up about the possibilities using chloroquine (&/or hydroxychloroquine) against CoV-19.

    Here in Nicaragua you can buy this (most farmacias in Leon have sold out) and various antibiotics to combat pneumonia over the counter, without a doctor's prescription. The AMA+Big Pharma+Insurance Co's have a $tranglehold on Americans who need drugs. Basically Americans are too immature, too stupid to be allowed to self-medicate, whereas Nicas can experiment with these WHO generics, find what works - most take advice from pharmacists or family and, if none of that works and they can afford it, go to a doctor. (There are long lines for the free ones.) And beware, medicines in CR are much more expensive.

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    Germany does seem to have gotten on top of the infection spread with testing. And they are moving in other directions,, ordering 10,000 ventilators and establishing a 1000 bed provisional hospital to treat overflow cases.

    NO doubt the high volume of testing skews the numbers,, in terms of confirmed cases vs deaths. And the testing has one huge advantage: isolating the confirmed cases so they can no longer infect others.

    I was out yesterday,, market and a couple of other errands. I saw one woman in the supermarket with a mask. We have a total of eight cases in Pima County,, Tucson,, Four are hospitalized,, one (gentleman in his 80's) has recovered,, others are isolated at home. The majority of the cases are 50's and sixties, no one younger. Five males and 3 females.

    There was one Arizona death yesterday,, in Phoenix.

    Most services are still available in Tucson. Banks are open,, but markets are poorly stocked. Especially produce and meat. No restaurants or bars. Stopping by Old Chicago in the afternoon for an exotic brew no longer a possibility. Traffic is way down,, and it's much quieter at night.

    I talked to a friend who traveled to MGA today. Bus was full,, she feels that it is business as usual in the capitol.

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    News of Zona Franca "Cupid" textile plant closed.

    Apparently 30 days paid as well

    Chilo is on a netflix virus kick today we watched Contagion and 93 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    News of Zona Franca "Cupid" textile plant closed.

    Apparently 30 days paid as well
    Cupid is an old school company out of Blackwell, OK. I would bet that what they had run into piece good issues, as a lot of their fabric comes from China. Also, they make girdles and fat women stuff, like those things that you see that have the wires in them that are basically cinchstraps for fat ass aunt Lulu. I would also bet that their orders are way down, as they are big with Wal-Mart and Target.

    What usually happens in a deal like this, is that the company only pays the Minimum Wage portion of the pay, as all the other things that can add up to about 60-80% of the pay are production and incentive related. Thus, for them it is a cheaper way to buy some time. As the base wage in Nic is cheap.

    That is a good plant.

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    Now you got to drag Aunt Lulu into this.

    Was talking to some friends that have a bar in New Orleans, they expect to be closed 2 months, luckily they can weather it, many will not be able to. The Fall out from this is going to we wild. Still too early to say how things go here, sit back and watch the show....
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    If you can't grow the economy to support the people, reduce the people to match the economy. What Nic seems to be doing is working to increase the curve, not flatten it. yeah yeah, lead floats, etc.

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    A couple times on this thread I wondered out loud how it was that China could prevent the epidemic raging in the center of the country from spreading throughout the country. This German TV show of a video diary of a privileged couple in Beijing at the time clarifies a lot. Beijing is 1,000 klicks from the epicenter Wuhan,

    A totalitarian quarantine with continual monitoring and policing. Impressive, as well as unbelievably repressive.

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    A different take on jodido pero contento.

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    Nothing succeeds like success, but free China did it better.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e6Uikbh3vA

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    Taiwan is a small island nation. Their survival depends on being eternally wary of mainland China. So yes, they anticipated well what was coming. But to prevent an apocalyptic disaster on a huge landmass, heavily populated country required much more severe action.

    Hey, I read where one of our better known senators, Rand Paul, KY, has tested positive. But while he was waiting for the test results he went for a swim in Congress' (the senators' ?) pool and used their gym. Fallout to follow. And Angela Merkle's doctor tested positive for CoV-19 so she's in isolation. Meanwhile Russia is saying that under Putin's protection the covid-19 virus doesn't dare show its knobby surface there. And India's 1.3 billion likewise seem unscathed cause Modi's a kickass leader.

    Poor Italy (pop. 60.5 million) has racked up more dead (5.476) due to the pandemic than China (pop. 1,435 million, 3,261 deaths from CoV). Italy ranks second – behind Japan – in terms of having had the greatest share of older people, with an estimated 169 people over 65 for every 100 young people. In 2014 fewer babies were born in Italy than in any other year since the modern Italian state was formed in 1861. Now with full lockdown quarantine in effect and the supply of rubbers in stores depleted, they can work on that.

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    One thing that is reassuring is, it's politics as usual in Washington DC. And in Nicaragua.

    So, it can't be too bad.

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    American and Spirit moving out.
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    As far as I can tell,, you can still get to Managua via Aeromexico. A friend of mine and long time resident of Nicaragua who has always been reliable insists that Nicaragua is NOT closed.

    Her only question was . . . . . WHY ??

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    Open for what? And deliveries from where? Tranques cripple Country, this will be worse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    One thing that is reassuring is, it's politics as usual in Washington DC. And in Nicaragua.

    So, it can't be too bad.
    I think every carrier is suspending flights in all circumstances other than repatriation.

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    All of AeroMexico flights to the US were cancelled. But,, other than to countries closed, like Panama,, still flying.

    I talked to a client in Brazil this morning,, they have 1600 cases,, but a non issue for them. Brazil is a big country.

    At least it was a non issue for him

    Barry in The Great Influenza talks about the second wave being the one that did the killing.
    And the people infected by the less dangerous first wave had immunity against the second wave.

    Maybe La Chaya has it figured out, save the pension system, immunize the country, open for business by fall when it comes around again.

    Cookshow will miss his Aunt Lulu, but he'll get over it.

    Meanwhile in the good ol USA, Bernie and company get the commie country they always dreamed of.

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    United out 1 april and they are scalping bigtime. Gunna be a long 6 months in purgatory...

    Folks back in the States still don't seem to know this is like a medium sized war, like WW1, but with no guarantee of winning. Half are foaming at the mouth it is a big plot by the fake news, a Chicom conspiracy to shut up Hong Kong, a Dem conspiracy to get Trump and on and on.
    Doesn't matter, the bug is out of the starting gate and thriving.

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    I don't know what to make of it all, but watching all the craziness in the States leads me to believe is only a matter of time before it hits here.
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    Remember that ugly, gray-stubble-faced, fat guy that ran Miramax Studios who screwed so many starlet babes that they threw him in jail? He's got coronavirus. So they put him in his own cell away from the rabble.

    La Chaya said that the only 2 confirmed cases in Nicaragua are improving 'miraculously'. The HIV positive guy a little less miraculously than the first. Viva la medicina Nica-Cubano! Meanwhile they've corralled 6 more suspected cases, friends of the HIV guy.

    In calculated understatement, La Prensa said, "The coronavirus is a respiratory illness, considered a pandemic by WHO." . . . Not our leaders.

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7001039

    So,, this article begs the question: Could chloroquine be taken in a prophylactic fashion to avoid infection ?
    Or at least mitigate the damage caused by the infection ? If school children are taking it ?

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    We already had a "shit load" of tp - Chilo's work changed dispensers a few months back and we got 3 cases of their unusable stock from it.

    But masks are are made of un-obtanium at the moment so I zapped to EvilBay which had some reuseable foam masks for $13 for 10 - They should be here in a week - Maybe they are useless - But we have masks.

    Chamu announced another 4, raising the total to 6
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    This thought just occurred to me

    Did Bernie Sanders get hit with a case of Socialist Distancing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    This thought just occurred to me
    Did Bernie Sanders get hit with a case of Socialist Distancing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    .... masks are are made of un-obtanium at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    La Chaya said that the only 2 confirmed cases in Nicaragua are improving 'miraculously'. The HIV positive guy a little less miraculously than the first. Viva la medicina Nica-Cubano! Meanwhile they've corralled 6 more suspected cases, friends of the HIV guy.
    Funny the number "2"

    Michigan goes under lockdown at midnight tonight - a day before us (Next door)

    MI's case load was reported at "2" on Mar 10 - Yesterday , Mar 22, 1600
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