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    The end....

    Maybe it has started?

    In the words of George Carlin....

    The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance.
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Corn Tom View Post
    The end....

    Maybe it has started?

    In the words of George Carlin....

    The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance.


    Ahhh,, we've seen worse. If it wasn't Climate Change or Covid,, it would be something else.

    As the bible says,, "The Chicken Littles we will always have with us . . ." or something to that effect.

    In other breaking news,, Twitter's head fact checker likes big trannies.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twi...a-bag-of-farts

    Why am I not surprised ?

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    Well...if it is in the Bible, it must be true!
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    I've been beating this statistical conundrum for a while. In today's Wash Post, "Researchers ponder why covid-19 appears more deadly in the U.S. and Europe than in Asia," their analyses are top shelf, but bottom line = it's too early to know for sure.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c0e_story.html
    A couple choice bits,
    Nobel laureate Tasuku Honjo, a Japanese immunologist, said people with Asian and European ancestry have enormous differences in the human leukocyte antigen (HLA) haplotype, genes that control the immune system’s response to a virus.
    Preliminary studies show that Japanese people’s immune systems tend to react to the novel coronavirus as though they had previous exposure, and notes that there are centuries of history of coronaviruses emerging from East Asia. “The enigma of lower death rates in East Asia can be explained by the presence of immunity,” Tatsuhiko Kodama said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    deaths/M - 5/24/20 - Asia
    China = 3 ___ Malaysia = 4 ___ Thailand = 1___
    Taiwan = 0 __ S.Korea = 5__ Hong Kong = 1 ___
    Singapore = 4 ___Indonesia = 5___ Japan = 6 ___
    India = 3 ___ Pakistan = 5 ___Bangladesh = 3___

    Compare those death tolls with the ‘West’:
    Belgium = 801__Spain = 615 ___ Italy = 542 ___
    UK = 542 ___France = 435 ___ Holland = 340 ____
    Ireland = 324 ___ USA = 300 ___Canada = 179 ___

    Why does a two-order-of-magnitude difference in mortality for the same virus exist in these two parts of the world?

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    but bottom line = it's too early to know for sure.


    Yes,, all kinds of things coming out. There is a graphic on BBC.com that is eye opening.
    Why did so many people per million die in Belgium ? The biggest number is Europe.

    There are extremes in how the deaths are counted and allocated.

    Compare Nicaragua to NYC,, for example.

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    I never read it but I saw the movie and don't remember that quote! but I did find something on google--Sturgeon's Law --"90% of everything is crap".

    Other than that, light rains most of the night. Neighborhood is saturated with standing water, so I sandbagged the porton.

    Credit Union blocked my online banking because I live in a blocked country. Make sure you have a phone banking password on your accounts because once you are here and your secure email is blocked you are very very blocked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Corn Tom View Post
    Well...if it is in the Bible, it must be true!

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    2nd confirmed death I know about personally in Nicaragua was confirmed to me about 2 hours ago. Kung Flu all the way. Likely caught at one of the Nica meat places, as that is where the man worked. 68 years old, in good health, just older. Was supposed to have retired in March but kept going to work. Well to do and decent money family. Government threatening them to STFU.

    Other death was likely Kung Flu, all the symptoms and signs, but poorer family with less means. Older woman in about average health. Went from symptoms to dead in about 6 days, local CPC group told the family to STFU or else.

    The Corona is going to make it's bones felt in Nicaragua I am sadly coming to believe.

    Mexico, in many parts is also way jacked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGV AG View Post
    2nd confirmed death I know about personally in Nicaragua was confirmed to me about 2 hours ago. Kung Flu all the way. Likely caught at one of the Nica meat places, as that is where the man worked. 68 years old, in good health, just older. Was supposed to have retired in March but kept going to work. Well to do and decent money family. Government threatening them to STFU.

    Other death was likely Kung Flu, all the symptoms and signs, but poorer family with less means. Older woman in about average health. Went from symptoms to dead in about 6 days, local CPC group told the family to STFU or else.

    The Corona is going to make it's bones felt in Nicaragua I am sadly coming to believe.

    Mexico, in many parts is also way jacked up.



    But, this is good news:

    https://news.yahoo.com/80-covid-19-i...223007804.html

    It means that the virus will burn itself out. Little pockets will pop up in the remote campo, but the urban areas should be rid of it.

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    Mexico, in many parts is also way jacked up.


    Travel across the border areas is way up. In Nogales, US, lots of people work in the packing sheds that distribute the produce that comes in 24-7 from Mexico. They live in Nogales, Mx work in Nogales, US

    They cross the border with special border crossing cards, kind of a yellow-brown color, that limits their ingress to a few miles of the border.

    That's what we were originally going to use to get Ariana across the border. You "rent" a card, guy behind you in line collects both the rent and the card on the other side. It used to be a gimme,, much tougher now with facial recognition, cameras, but the line still runs really fast in the early morning.

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    CR extended it border closure to at least jun 30 and has gone public that Nic. is one of their greatest risks in the pandemic.
    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    But, this is good news:

    https://news.yahoo.com/80-covid-19-i...223007804.html

    It means that the virus will burn itself out. Little pockets will pop up in the remote campo, but the urban areas should be rid of it.

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    So today Chilo got off the phone with her Brother a couple of hours ago who in turn just spoke to his Ex (from 40 yrs ago) Gloria, in Acahalinca. She lives in one of those U shaped tenements two rooms each, 10 apartments, all facing out to a courtyard with common 4 stall latrine and clothes washing area.


    Gloria's brother just passed away - two day from showing of symptoms and his being pronounced.


    Minsa DR arrived and they all (about 40 ppl) in a 200' x 60' area are now on lockdown.

    Running the tally about 9 people (all people known to Chilo , Marcos, and Luis) have died of "Pneumonia" in a 2 minor block area of Ahaculinca/Santa Anna over the past 10 days.


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    So, one might ask....
    From the govmints point of view....are citizens:
    Assets?
    Liabilities?
    Allies?
    Enemies?
    At this point in time does the govmint want more or less citizens?
    Their policies would indicate.....less.
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    Is this the end of the pandemic? I mean, many protesters were still wearing masks

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    There is more than one reason to wear a mask...

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    There is more than one reason to wear a mask...


    Begs the question:

    Was Ortega right after all ?

    Things even got dicey in Tucson,, someone set a dumpster on fire.

    Unfortunately, they couldn't fine enough black people to mount a decent protest or do any worthwhile looting. My sense is, the local media were really disappointed.

    There is very little serious commercial in the city center.
    Saved by a lack of big screen TVs and liquor and Nike stores.

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    Yeah, elsewhere the media is having a field day. They get to set public policy without having to suffer the nuisance of getting elected. Sad part of the pointless demonstrations in the US is a lot of police are probably going to catch wuflu. Amazing that 60 secret service agents got injured in front of the White House and no payback. It will toughen them up for the future.

    The storm seems to have moved to Guate. We are getting occasional light rains. The report says thundershowers but mostly it is pretty tame. CR reports dengue. Saturday was payday here and a lot of people were out, many with masks in the shopping areas.

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    Begs the question:

    Was Ortega right after all ?

    Look at it this way - THe rest of the CA-4, Panama and Costa Rica will come out of lockdown soon as all of their numbers are steady or starting to decline.

    This means that they at least have a view of when somewhat normal trade (Border operations possibility of flights) will resume.

    Nicaragua on the other hand has it running rampant and no one trusts the official numbers nor the agency that releases them.

    I can see it being a good 6,8, 12 weeks delay for <whatever the new> normal is for trade and Nicaragua being allowed in that new normal..

    That is not good and probably 2 or 3 times worse for the economy in the long term than hunkering down would have done in the first place.
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    Whoa - The Coconut telegraph is stating in the last hour that Masaya Mayor Orlando Noguera ... Talk about taking one for the team...


    He was way up in the FSLN hierarchy - Like 4th or 5th the Family tells me
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    " . . .I can see it being a good 6,8, 12 weeks delay for <whatever the new> normal is for trade and Nicaragua being allowed in that new normal.. "


    Will it be that long? The only example for a balls to the wall (where we have good numbers) is Sweden. And they weren't REALLY managing the virus the same way as Nicaragua is doing it. There were some significant mitigating measures taken to limit the spread of the virus.

    This herd immunity thing is open to challenge as well, I see numbers ranging from 50-60% all the way to 90%. It makes sense to me, it seems to logically follow,, that as more and more of the population is immune,, the virus will have an increasingly difficult time finding new hosts to infect. While the virus may not burn out completely, as the ebola outbreaks used to, does it not make sense that the transmission of the virus will be slowed ?

    Add to that some simple measures to impede the transmission of the virus like social distancing and mask wearing, and the level of contagion is lowered even more.

    It's curious,, we say: "I caught the flu early" or "I caught the flu late" but there is a definite peak flu season, when a lot of people are sick at once.

    Recently added to this is the wild card of this last week's protests. People packed tightly together, screaming, often directly into someone else's faces.

    It will be curious to see where this takes us, two weeks from now.
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    From the Tico Times:

    https://ticotimes.net/2020/05/29/cos...t-for-covid-19


    " . . Costa Rica has a low case fatality rate (1.0%), and fewer than 5% of known active coronavirus cases are currently hospitalized.

    “We can’t say that’s a result of this medication (hydroxychloroquine), but we can’t discard it either,” Román Macaya, executive president of the CCSS, said earlier this week. .."

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    Masaya mayor dead from virus.

    COSEP and medical groups calling for 4 week lockdown.
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    The insurrection in the US is aimed at taking down the government. Covid is just one of their weapons which they are gladly spreading by their protests and riots.

    An outbreak of covid runs about 3 months in a given location, so plan on Nic being screwed up till late august. If it doesn't melt down because of "underlying comorbidities".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookshow View Post
    Masaya mayor dead from virus.

    COSEP and medical groups calling for 4 week lockdown.
    High ranking FSLN capo from Somoto, the day after, yesterday.
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    And today a police Capo in Leon who resigned just after all the goings on in Apr 18
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    Nicaragua is slowly putting itself on every do not travel list in the world, save Cuba and Venezuela.....but they don't travel, do they.
    All the gains made in the last ten years are wiped out for at least another decade.
    So sad....
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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