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    Steve Bannon nearly goes ballistic talking about the CCP’s culpability in the coronavirus pandemic on War Room - Pandemic podcasts on U-tube. It is known that Chinese gov’t bio-containment labs in Wuhan had isolated and were studying more than 2,000 new viruses, many from bats.
    … when Dr. Margaret Chan of Hong Kong left WHO after two terms in 2017, China pushed to have her succeeded by an Ethiopian microbiologist named Tedros A.... China now effectively controls five of the 15 U.N. specialized agencies,... Despite reports that China knew the pathogen was highly contagious in December, WHO issued a Jan. 10 statement opposing international travel restrictions, backing Beijing’s position. Then came WHO’s infamous Jan. 14 tweet: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus.” Taiwanese officials have since said they alerted WHO of the contagion risk in late December, but were ignored. WaTimes, 4/8/20
    At best this pandemic is China’s Chernobyl event.
    China caused this disaster, but now wants to claim the credit for saving us from it. Liberally exporting testing kits and face masks, the Chinese government is intent on snatching victory from the jaws of a defeat it inflicted.
    … some people in the Western world are so unhinged by Trump Derangement Syndrome or so corrupted by Chinese money or, in the case of Italy, so disillusioned by the less than altruistic responses of their fellow Europeans to their exceptionally severe COVID-19 outbreak, that they actually swallow this toxic stream of hypocrisy and mendacity. Was anything dumber this year than the Mayor of Florence’s “hug a Chinese” campaign back in February? - Niall Ferguson
    … or Gov. Cuomo’s fawning thanks for the ventilators from China?
    Let us try to restore sanity with six questions that we should ask Chinese President Xi Jinping
    ** First, what exactly was going on in Wuhan that led to the initial emergence of SARS-CoV-2? If, as first claimed but now seems unlikely, the virus originated from a bat at one of the disgusting “wet” markets (for wildlife intended for human consumption), which your regime inexplicably has not shut down, that would have been bad enough. But if it originated because of sloppy practices at the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, that is worse.
    ** Second, how big a role did the central government play in the cover-up after it became clear in Wuhan that there was human-to-human transmission? We now know there were 104 cases of the new disease, including 15 deaths, between Dec. 12 and the end of that month. Why was the official Chinese line on Dec. 31 that there was “no clear evidence” of human-to-human transmission? And why did that official line not change until Jan. 20?
    ** Third, after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China — on Jan. 23 — but not from Hubei to the rest of the world? Between Dec. 1 and Feb. 5, roughly the same number of direct flights went from Wuhan to Rome (28) and Paris (23) as went to San Francisco and New York (23 each).
    ** Fourth, what possessed your Foreign Ministry spokesman to start peddling an obviously false conspiracy theory on social media and why has he not been fired?
    ** Fifth, where exactly are Ren Zhiqiang and Ai Fen, to name just two of the Chinese citizens who seem to have vanished since they expressed criticism of your government’s handling of COVID-19?
    ** Finally, how many of your people has this disease really killed?
    - from Niall Ferguson’s column in The Boston Globe, 4/6/20

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    Watch this documentary, “Tracking down the origin of the Wuhan coronavirus”
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirusfilm

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    The French are upset at repeated statements from the Chinese embassy boasting the "success" of the Chinese government in the battle against the coronavirus and criticizing Western responses to this pandemic. A statement published on the Chinese embassy's website was heavily critical of the European response, accusing politicians of seeking to make a scapegoat of China. http://www.amb-chine.fr/fra/zfzj/t1768712.htm (in French)
    "When the cuttlefish is in danger, it spits out its ink to blacken the water and takes the opportunity to flee. This is a tactic well known to some Western political and cultural elites. They simply wanted to blame China for their own inability to deal with the epidemic and the many tragedies that followed, and in this way 'whitewash' themselves," the Chinese statement said.


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    Here’s a question I’d love to hear the CCP answer: “after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China — on Jan. 23 — but not from Hubei to the rest of the world?” That question was one of several that Niall Ferguson would like to have asked of Chinese President Xi Jinping. (from the Boston Globe, 4/6/20)

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    We will have to add wuflu to the list of Chinese exports.

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    I like KungFlu better.

    But,, I've never been PC

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    Chicomvirus is good, but wuflu rolls off the tongue better.

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    Seems like China's message is, "See, if you all were hard nosed communists with total dominance over the people, you wouldn't have our virus killing you."

    Except that we don't have a clue how many Chinese are dead from The Rona, or dead from the latest Communist purge.

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    I think the US should name a battleship or a missile after the Chinese doctor who discovered the virus and got crapped on by the commies.

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    The USS Li Wenliang?

    Captian Ho Lee Phuc
    Navigator Bang Ding Ow
    Ship's doctor Sum Ting Wong

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    It’s instructive to look back at the SARS outbreak of 2003. It began in China, sprung from bats + civets, they say, and, tho it spread worldwide, Chinese were 92% of all SARS cases and suffered 89% of all deaths due to this coronavirus. They told WHO late what was happening and tried to cover up the extent, just as they’re behaving now. But I view that then as face-saving, a rising authoritarian nation courting global acceptance. Today I wonder whether the current coronavirus arose naturally via interspecies ‘evolution’ or whether, in fact, it was bio-engineered to be more easily spread among humans. Compared to covid-19, SARS was not nearly as contagious, but once infected, much more fatal. It’s too early to compare their ‘incubation periods’ - SARS was pinned at 10 days, CoV-19 at 2-14d. Here’s a capsule history of SARS (from Wiki & CDC):

    Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1930s when an acute respiratory infection of chickens was shown to be caused by one. SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome, a coronavirus) caused an epidemic in 2003. The outbreak began in Foshan, Guangdong, China, which borders Hong Kong, in Nov 2002. It lasted about 8 months. China notified WHO about the outbreak on 10 Feb 2003, reporting 305 cases and five deaths.

    On 21 Feb 2003 a super-spreader checked into a hotel in Hong Kong; 23 other guests developed SARS, many from the same floor. One of whom went to Vietnam where in a hospital in Hanoi he infected at least 38 members of the staff on 26 Feb. Another, an elderly Chinese woman returned to Toronto on 23 Feb, where she infected her son, who spread the disease to Scarborough Grace Hospital. Yet another hotel guest started an outbreak in Singapore on 1 Mar. On 4 Mar, a 27-year-old man, who had visited a guest on the same floor of that hotel, checked into Hong Kong's Prince of Wales Hospital where he infected at least 99 hospital workers (including 17 medical students) treating him.

    Outside mainland China, Taiwan was especially hard hit, which explains their vigorous proactive response to SARS-CoV-2, the current pandemic. Though WHO notes only 346 cases-73 deaths in Taiwan due to SARS, “325 cases were 'discarded', because laboratory information was insufficient or incomplete; 101 of these patients died.”** Go figure.

    SARS cases/deaths, 1 Nov 2002 – 31 July 2003
    China___________5,327/349
    Hong Kong_______1,755/299
    Taiwan**__________346/73**
    Canada___________251/43
    Singapore_________238/33
    Vietnam____________63/5
    United States________27/0
    Philippines__________14/2
    Thailand_____________9/2
    France______________7/1
    Malaysia_____________5/2 and countries-cases with zero deaths due to SARS:
    Germany-9, Mongolia-9, Australia-6, Sweden-5, United Kingdom-4, Italy-4, India-3, Korea-3 Indonesia-2, Kuwait-1, Ireland-1, Macao-1, New Zealand-1, Romania-1, Russia-1, Spain-1, Switzerland-1
    ____________________Total = 8,096 cases/ 810 deaths => 10% fatality

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    Roger Robinson “Focus on the money: by whom and how is the Chinese Communist Party being funded and the answer is, sadly, it's us, without question.
    We wonder how the Chinese have this unlimited checking account that they walk around with to capture nations, regions and even continents in the case of Africa. It's because there's a hundred and sixty million unwitting American investors out there that are seeing over a thousand Chinese companies in their portfolios, that they don't even know were put there by fund managers and index providers and ETFs. And others that are picking up hundreds of Chinese companies even from the domestic exchanges.

    The United States dominates the economic and financial domain on this planet utterly. They're playing in our sandbox, we're not playing in theirs. We created the international trading and financial system and it's almost like we forget our dominant role there. Our capital markets are larger than the rest of the world's combined. We have 60% or more, more I would say of the world's liquidity in our markets. And yet never have we looked at the Chinese penetrating and taking vast sums of money out of our capital markets, both the equity and bond side, the debt side. And right now it's looking as though those numbers are something between a trillion five and three trillion dollars.

    We monitor Chinese investment in the United States because of our national security related concerns. Do we see any similar screening mechanism for the capital markets in the last two-and-a-half three decades? Answer: no. Is there any diligence being performed on who are these Chinese companies are and what they are about, in terms of the nature of these entities? The answer is no. We've let through national security abusers, PLA affiliated advanced weapons manufacturers, South China Sea Island builders, folks that are providing the wherewithal for North Korea to continue its missile and nuclear programs, folks that are helping out the companies that are proliferating weapons to North Korea, Iran and so forth, and egregious human rights abusers like hikvision and others whose surveillance cameras are every few metres atop the walls of concentration camps in Xinjiang holding a million-and-a-half Uyghurs.

    You know this is the kind of companies that we are witnessing in our markets and they're in the public pension systems of the 48 states. They're in virtually all of the university endowments, many of whom believe they have great human rights credentials. And the list goes on. It is a remarkable thing, even our Federal Thrift Savings Plan, a six hundred billion dollar plan that has five point eight million federal employees, including our uniformed military. We're within maybe a week or two of a switch of their international fund of that particular Thrift Savings Plan to the MSCI all country world XUS index, a big name. But when you have an index benchmarking a list of companies that you're going to invest in, it turns out that in there are US sanctioned Chinese and Russian companies. We're going to have our uniformed military ending up very soon, if the president doesn't take action too, that are funding companies that are making advanced weapon systems that are fundamentally designed to kill them in the event of a conflict.
    Why is Wall St. doing this?
    Well, they think that they're being good fiduciaries and expanding their investing universe to emerging market companies and capturing return on investment that might not be if they didn't have a global view of investment strategy. I mean that's what they'll tell you, they're just being good fiduciaries. They don't talk much about the big fees that they're taking out of China and what China rewards them when they put Chinese companies into indexes and will penalize them - telling them they'll never see another dime of business in China, if they don't, like they did with the Morgan Stanley MSCI before it was spun off into an independent entity. There's a Wall Street Journal piece on this, that talks about the arm-twisting involved on that particular score. So it's about fees. It's about profits. It's about their feeling that they have to properly weight and represent the second largest economy in the world that dominates the emerging market space so they have all kinds of elaborate rationales for this. But what's really happening here? I mean why isn't any diligence being performed on having US-sanctioned entities that we're not supposed to do business with by law but that we can invest in, that we can fund, that we can give all the prestige of being in the world's deepest and most voluminous markets, a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval that they use around the world every day to legitimate themselves. Does that sound like a sanction to you? How inconsistent could we possibly be here? The most obvious kind of diligence would uncover this kind of thing. Where are they in the risk section of the prospectuses? Where's the SEC demanding the disclosure of these obvious material risks? It's not happening not nearly to the extent that it should be and the list goes on
    Transcript from interview with Roger Robinson on Steve Bannon’s War Room: Pandemic, 4/29/20, EP 149-The CCP's Economic and Financial Warfare Against the US and the Free World

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    With China about to undergo a ‘Rectification’ to tighten Xi’s control, and Steve Bannon being arrested in Connecticut and hauled into court in Manhattan, let’s examine recent news announced first on Bannon’s War Room Pandemic show on YouTube (they pulled an episode recently) that the Sars-CoV-2 virus was tailor-made in a Wuhan laboratory and evidence that its global spread was intentional.

    Dr. Yan Li-Meng, a virologist who was employed as a researcher at the University of Hong Kong's School of Public Health when the coronavirus pandemic began, said there is 'zero chance' this coronavirus is natural. Yan said that the genome of the coronavirus reveals it's actual man-made origin. This was the reason why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) tried to delay the disclosure of the genome sequence at the beginning of the outbreak and deliberately changed the genome by entering some "wrong genome sequences" into the NIH genetic sequence database on Jan. 12. The Zhoushan bat virus is the "backbone" upon which Sars-CoV-2 was constructed. The virologist charges Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) scientist Shi Zheng-Li with its modification (“gain of function”). When asked if the Chinese government is trying to cover up the origins of the virus, she said that COVID-19 is an "enhanced SARS virus" with components of the SARS virus as well as "other lethal parts," hinting it was made in a weaponization program.
    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3979550

    Professor Giuseppe Tritto, president of the World Academy of Biomedical Sciences and Technologies (WABT), Paris, wrote a book, “China COVID 19: The chimera that changed the world” published Aug 4 in Italian by Edizioni Cantagalli. He states
    the China Virus definitely wasn’t a freak of nature that happened to cross the species barrier from bat to man. It was genetically engineered in the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s P4 lab in a program supervised by the Chinese military. Dr. Tritto’s 272 pages of names, dates, places, and factsbegins with the SARS epidemic of 2003, when the Chinese tried to develop vaccines to control it. Dr. Shi Zheng-Li was in charge of the program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. “In vaccine development, reverse genetics is used to create viral strains that have reduced pathogenicity but to which the immune system responds by creating antibodies against the virus." But it can also be used to create viral strains that have increased pathogenicity. Dr. Shi had learned to manipulate HIV genomes at the Pasteur Institute. Using this reverse genetics, she inserted an HIV segment into a coronavirus discovered in horseshoe bats to make it more infectious and lethal. With the outbreak, China’s leading expert on bioweapons, People’s Liberation Army Major General Chen Wei, was immediately placed in charge of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Dr. Shi Zheng-Li seems to have disappeared.

    Asked why China has refused to provide the complete genome of the China Virus to the WHO or to other countries, Dr. Tritto explained that “providing the matrix [source] virus would have meant admitting that SARS-CoV-2 [China Virus] was created in the laboratory. In fact, the incomplete genome made available by China lacks some inserts of AIDS amino acids, which itself is a smoking gun.”
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/r...ccine-unlikely

    At the outbreak of Covid-19 what did the Chinese gov’t do? They shut down their airports in Wuhan and shut down Beijing, their own capital, but they sent 400,000 flights abroad to Milan, New York City, San Francisco, …

    Prof. Tritto: “Given the many mutations of SARS-CoV-2, it is extremely unlikely that a single vaccine that blocks the virus will be found. … at the most, a multivalent vaccine can be found effective on 4-5 strains and thus able to cover 70-75% of the world’s population.”

    Bannon quotes Mao Zedong: from facts come truth. "Okay the facts are in the Wuhan lab and those facts are going to show the truth of the Chinese Communist Party and their biological weapons program which they're not supposed to have because they signed the treaty in 1984. They see biological and chemical weapons as a poor man's nuclear weapon. They don't need a massive nuclear program. And right now they're in business with their partners in Pakistan. They're building a p3 lab there. They're talking to Iran about building a lab there."

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    "The MOST likely explanation for the origin of the pandemic - direct result of a project commissioned in 2014 by Dr Fauci, funded in contradiction of a ban by the Obama administration" - Steve Hilton @NextRevFNC
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1353544951758512130

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    “There is only one Earth and one shared future for humanity. Let us all join hands and let multilateralism light our way toward a community with a shared future for mankind.” - Chinese President Xi Jinping today, to the World Economic Forum of Davos

    Beijing’s rush for antisatellite arms began 15 years ago. Now, it can threaten the orbital fleets that give the United States military its technological edge. Advanced weapons at China’s military bases can fire warheads that smash satellites and can shoot laser beams that have a potential to blind arrays of delicate sensors. And China’s cyberattacks can, at least in theory, cut off the Pentagon from contact with fleets of satellites that track enemy movements, relay communications among troops and provide information for the precise targeting of smart weapons. - from today’s NYTimes, How Space Became the Next ‘Great Power’ Contest Between the U.S. and China



    You’re right Poppy. It’s time to learn Chinese social skills.





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    I guess "multilateralism" is the new word for "socialism." Multiple versions of socialism will light our way, so if you're a freedom loving capitalist you won't share humanity's future.

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    "Multilaterialism" is the polite way to say there is no longer a world superpower. That was us.
    They don't want to rub it in just yet.

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    Or, it's a polite way to say China is the other superpower.

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    They just don't want to rub it in yet.

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    Xi isn't just politely addressing the world's elite at Davos, he's telling them, practically ordering them, this is the way forward. (Remember Mao's Great Leap Forward?)

    Politico.eu sees it as a clear warning: "China is making a show of power and setting out its red lines to the new American leader. Over the weekend, Taiwan reported a large incursion by Chinese bombers and jet fighters for two days in a row.While Biden's team has called for the formation of an alliance of democracies to confront China's economic model, Xi cautioned against the dangers of such an approach. "Forming small groups or launching new cold wars on the world stage; excluding, threatening and intimidating others; resorting to decoupling, supply disruption or sanctions ... would only push the world towards division, if not confrontation," Xi said. "Repeatedly, history and the reality reminded us that, if we walk down the path of confrontation — be it a cold war, a hot war, a trade war or a tech war — all countries are going to suffer in terms of their interests and their people’s well-being."

    "A hostile state attacking the US power grid is a longstanding and quite plausible national security concern. The Trump administration was galvanized by the threat, even seizing Chinese power equipment when it arrived in the US to do a detailed breakdown of the gear and then issuing an executive order and follow-up rulings designed to cut Chinese products out of the US grid supply chain. Yet now the Biden administration has suspended this order for 90 days – the only Trump cybersecurity order to be called into question so far. Industry lobbying? Chinese maneuvering? Tech uncertainty? No one knows, ..." - from Reason.com, today


    Yes Poppy, there is a Chinese Communist Party, so don't be naughty . . .

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    Pat Buchanan's column today Coexistence or Cold War with China? demands a rethink of the situation developing with China. Although he leaves open the bigger question: what does 'coexistence with China' mean?

    "What are we threatening? On Sunday, a U.S. aircraft carrier battle group, led by the USS Theodore Roosevelt sailed into the South China Sea on a “freedom of navigation” exercise, the first such operation under President Biden. This was the same day that those Chinese bombers and fighters flew into Taiwan’s air identification zone. We need to talk."

    Clearly, "operation under President Biden" doesn't mean his fingerprints are on it. This administration has more puppetmasters than any prior.

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    That's kind of like owing your crack dealer a ton of money, and you can't help buying more crack, and saying you need to learn to coexist with him.

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    Notice how provisional president biden is coopting trump policies--"buy American", discourage caravans from Honduras, bigger covid checks. He is fighting for the center that hates him.

    As far as china, they won the first covid war. Winning is better than losing.

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    Not sure if they won any Covid War. There were reports of mass Covid casualties in China when this stuff started, but one can never trust reports out of- oh yeah. You can't trust reports out of anywhere, any more.

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