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    If they keep their hepa filters up airlines are probably one of the safer public places to be, especially for short flights. But, some of us are haunted by our pasts. My last job had hepa filters in 1 building but the head bean counter had them secretly removed to cut costs (aka increase his bonus). Its all in the maintenance. Or like the peak prosperity guy says, in the integrity.

    The Trumpster can make whatever bold legal move he wants vis-a-vis EUA, but nobody wants to be the first guinea pig. People will treat the vaccine like a fart in a public place and if it is a 2-shot regimen with less than 90% effectiveness it will drag out till mid 2021.

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    AstraZeneca Halts COVID-19 Vaccine Trials after Second Volunteer "Develops Neurological problems"


    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...gical-problems

    Or, it could be fake news. It's the internet, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    AstraZeneca Halts COVID-19 Vaccine Trials after Second Volunteer "Develops Neurological problems"
    Reminds me of that Tee-Shirt..

    What do we want?

    A Cure for Turrets ..

    When do we want it?

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    Neurological implies some biological problem.

    "I can't feel God" sounds like a nutcase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    Neurological implies some biological problem.

    "I can't feel God" sounds like a nutcase.

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    "AstraZeneca’s protocol states that its goal is a vaccine with 50% effectiveness — the same threshold that the FDA has set in its guidance for coronavirus vaccines."
    OK, yeah, now I feel much better.

    Transcript from 9/21/20 War Room: Pandemic Ep 397,
    Bannon: There's not an insignificant part of the Trump base, social conservatives, not anti-vaxxers, but they're highly skeptical of this forced march for a vaccine.

    Jack Maxey: I think the vaccines are a big question mark. AstraZeneca had a problem with a woman who suffered some paralysis after taking her second round of shots and they said oh that's nothing to worry about. But then we find out this morning that the AstraZeneca tests in the United States have been halted. They have never been restarted since that occurrence 2-3 weeks ago.

    And then you look at Russia, apparently today they're coming out that they've halted distribution of the vaccine inside Russia. There's been no explanation as to why they've done that but apparently they have.

    And then there are some real issues when it comes to our two top vaccines, the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines. I mean the Pfizer vaccine has to be delivered and carried around at -70C that's -94F. This creates distribution problems. The Moderna vaccine I believe has to be at -10C.

    In JM's opinion i think that the vaccine should probably be held for the elderly, the people who are most vulnerable I’m worried about these RNA messenger vaccines for young people, particularly those who might be in their reproductive years. That's a totally untested sort of vaccination process that's never been tried before. It actually manipulates your own DNA to provide you with a response. I think there's some big question marks. But I think when you're talking about the most vulnerable those who are well beyond their productive years, the 60+.

    Hey, just a cotton-pickin' minute. I was 69 when my son was conceived, and he's a perfectly healthy 6-yr-old. The problem when 'science' and politics mix: too many play God.



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    Well, if something goes wrong, just sue the vaccine maker. Oh wait, you can't. There's a law against that.

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    I wonder what societal changes will come about when old folks hear "they are old and are going to die anyway" one time too many.

    Anyway, any vaccine has risks. the last I heard liquid polio vaccine causes polio in a couple people per 100k or million or such. The big problem with this vaccine is they are planning to give it to billions of people very quickly for a disease that damages the economy more than killing people outright. Of course, when recession, war, and revolution break out the covid casualties might seem minor.

    Good news, with all this clean being handed out we should have an excellent flu season. Even the dreaded Casino Crud in Las Vegas should be light this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    The big problem with this vaccine is they are planning to give it to billions of people very quickly for a disease that damages the economy more than killing people outright.
    You've nailed it, Duende. Of course, the disease that cripples the economy comes from a sub-species called politicians, under the influence of pseudo-scientists. And the vaccine to cure it is already known, print more money, however. it requires manufacturing agreement, which is extremely difficult for the sub-species.

    Mental drippings in the time of Covid-19: WWI, 1918 pandemic & WWII checked global population growth somewhat, but it was followed by a half-century unchecked. In 2001, while the USA was engaged in a sideshow, the greatest Capitalistic power the world has ever know arose, communist China. It's greatest sale came in 2020, seemingly for free, like Google searches and FB friends, a tweaked bat virus, that would allow Western leaders/elites authoritarian-like control over their citizens for as long as they care to exaggerate the virus' dangers, while also trimming the social security rolls of hangers-on. SOLD. The price: simple allegiance to the coming reign of heaven on earth. It's really as simple as only using Google for your searches, or FB to find out what your friends are up to. Meanwhile you elites will profit handsomely while the masses undergo obedience training. Think of the centuries of glorious peace & harmony that will reign over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    You've nailed it, Duende. Of course, the disease that cripples the economy comes from a sub-species called politicians, under the influence of pseudo-scientists. And the vaccine to cure it is already known, print more money, however. it requires manufacturing agreement, which is extremely difficult for the sub-species.

    Mental drippings in the time of Covid-19: WWI, 1918 pandemic & WWII checked global population growth somewhat, but it was followed by a half-century unchecked. In 2001, while the USA was engaged in a sideshow, the greatest Capitalistic power the world has ever know arose, communist China. It's greatest sale came in 2020, seemingly for free, like Google searches and FB friends, a tweaked bat virus, that would allow Western leaders/elites authoritarian-like control over their citizens for as long as they care to exaggerate the virus' dangers, while also trimming the social security rolls of hangers-on. SOLD. The price: simple allegiance to the coming reign of heaven on earth. It's really as simple as only using Google for your searches, or FB to find out what your friends are up to. Meanwhile you elites will profit handsomely while the masses undergo obedience training. Think of the centuries of glorious peace & harmony that will reign over the world.

    Doing a bit of research,, even with Google,, shows that the road to successful vaccinations has been --rocky at best.
    As effective as sniffing mierda during the middle ages' plagues, and often much deadlier.

    J&J's Covid vaccine is piggybacked onto their successful Ebola vaccine.
    If they manage to not mix the two, we might have a winner.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/h...d-johnson.html


    It's little consolation to the million+ worldwide who have died, but it could have been much worse:

    https://abrahamson.medill.northweste..._22Nov2001.pdf

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    Sounds like Spirit has started canceling October flights, same old tune with them. Looks like Avianca has the monopoly (all 2 flights a week) for now.

    Other day was killing time, looked at some random dates, saw a $60 ow MIA-MGA on AA for 1st week in November, a little too cheap, bet it gets canceled, looks like they are playing the Spirit game, take money, cancel, offer voucher.
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    I looked at Spirit.com and saw the earliest flight out of MGA was Oct 16, the 1am redeye. Having a voucher of theirs, I booked it for laughs, since it's cheaper than a bus trip to MEX. And by the way, why aren't land borders open yet?

    The article in today's LaPrensa said that the Nica tourist bureau is afraid Aviance may cancel flights. Fewer and fewer customers are able to pass the Ortega entry health barrier flying into MGA. It's crippling Nica businessmen too. They say that the majority of airlines expect to return to MGA in Oct, but nothing is certain, except death & taxes (here, my monthly visa extension fee).

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    " ... I looked at Spirit.com and saw the earliest flight out of MGA was Oct 16, the 1am redeye. Having a voucher of theirs, I booked it for laughs, since it's cheaper than a bus trip to MEX. And by the way, why aren't land borders open yet? "


    Both Guatemala and Honduras are supposed to be opening,, Guatemala seems more definite. I read something about trans-national buses starting up up again. There must be a Tica or Nica agent in Leon,, they would probably be more knowledgeable than anyone as to what is happening with the land borders.

    On Mexico,, it seems that the US is more aggressively enforcing the "essential travel" limitation than the Mexicans, by making the return miserable. They have to let you back in ,, but not necessarily in a timely fashion.

    But, who knows what is going on at the southern border of Mexico? Anyone who has made the trip can tell you that the attitudes between north and south borders are like night and day. Friendly as hell up here, much less so down there. I might get through Mexico successfully, and get stuck in Tapachula like your Leon friends were stuck in the no man's land at Guasale. Can't go on, can't go back. I'd have to join the (shitload of) Congolese in the streets of Tapachula selling recarga.

    If the Tica bus is running,, you might be able to get a flight out of Mexico City directly to your destination.

    Quien sabe ? These are strange times, and as someone who has a cat spying for the Biden campaign will tell you,,
    normal logic does not apply.

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    Land borders? Why would Nic. with all its success in handling covid want to open up to its dirty sickly neighbors?

    Also, the Peak Prosperity guy is claiming that testing is not up to snuff. He says 30% or more of the positive tests are false positives, meaning people will be quarantined, denied flights, etc., for nothing. He thinks the tests are picking up remnants of the virus from people who had it and are completely over it. I went through the same thing with amoebas one year--the doctor told me to not be retested for several weeks after finishing my meds because the tests can pick up remnants that are not an active infection.

    My other suspicion is that nobody really has the tests available like they claim-- or they don't trust them. I think that is why the US is not opening up the schools. Every time a little booger gets sick they will have to test 30-50 people and they do not have the tests nor the personnel. American health workers don't shake a leg like Minsa and Spain is now allowing municipalities to request soldiers to help out with the legwork.

    My fear of going to the US for Thanksgiving is that the freedom-loving Americans will party a/o riot hardy and trigger an outbreak big enough to shut down my return flight or the Nic. border.

    Jesus, how would I cope with more than 4 weeks of being clean and not the food source for the entire insect kingdom? Not to mention driving too much without gaping potholes might leave me defenseless when I come back. Being quarantined for nothing in AZ does not scare me at all. I could go play with my camera out in the desert, sell my life supply of surplus crap on Ebay, and get a fake least and walk my imaginary dog to the river every morning.

    I also fear that covid is just the first round of the Chinese Century-- 1 ciber attack or 1 anything would be the knockout punch for the ole US of A. Bad year to travel...

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    Government has published a list of "Citizens and Foreigners served" for at Migration the past 5 or so months. Every 2 weeks - Oddly enough this weeks report (Due Tuesday) was not published.
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    " and get a fake leash and walk my imaginary dog to the river every morning."

    Rent a dog from the local shelter ??

    The perfect dog, and you only have to feed him lunch.
    Take a different one every day so you don't get attached,,
    one really happy day before they put him down.


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    I read where AA will begin testing passengers flying out of Miami, mostly citizens of destination country so they can avoid quarantine. No mention of Ortega's country.

    Look, it may be critical for some of us to know whether we're actually infected (false negative) or not (false positive), but what's important here is that little piece of official paper to please the bureaucratic gatekeepers.

    I still feel confident with CQ+Zn (+Azitro) to keep me well, free of covid. Odds are the Trumps are popping HCQ+Zn about now.

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    I saw something about this other day, think that story was with United. Is rapid test in 15 minutes, the other still takes 24hr for results. Several places in MIA offering results within 24hrs, $75 - $200. But means a few days in MIA in order to satisfy airline and gov requirements.
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    Yes - Abbott Laboratories - The Gov of Canada signed a deal for 8million kits.

    Funny thing is is that it is not approved by health Canada, but should be by the end of next week.

    For us though the kits will only be used for cause.

    You can not even buy a private test here yet - Now you can go to the ER and <caugh> say <caugh> you have been exposed <sniffle> but you still have a 4 day wait - When were were at 40 cases a day you could get results in less than 20 hrs - But now at 500/day you can not beg a result at less than 4 days. We are up to 30,000 tests a day now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    I still feel confident with CQ+Zn (+Azitro) to keep me well, free of covid. Odds are the Trumps are popping HCQ+Zn about now.
    I thought the narrative was he was taking it all along?
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    I thought the narrative was he was taking it all along?


    He took it at one time.
    I think he fell into the trap of thinking that with the constant testing of the White House staff he wouldn't get infected.
    BUT,, his infection was caught early,, a huge advantage over most Americans. There are all kinds of therapeutics available now that were not used at the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm going to grill Meow Meow tomorrow before I put out her tuna to see if she knows anything.
    Can cats get Covid ?

    With the weird things that are happening now,, everywhere, it's not irrational to think that he might have been intentionally infected.
    One big mistake he made was messing with the Post Office before the election. He should have waited.

    Truly,, we need a better system of voting in this country. They are mailing out ballots to dead people,, people who have moved, duplicate ballots to others. It's one thing for Mickey, Donald, Goofy, and José to vote,, but TWICE ??
    I expect an absentee ballot to show up any day for Meow Meow.

    Even the Nicaraguans have a better system than we do, in terms of identifying who is eligible to vote.
    How is it voter suppression to identify who is eligible to vote ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
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    Truly,, we need a better system of voting in this country. They are mailing out ballots to dead people,, people who have moved, duplicate ballots to others. It's one thing for Mickey, Donald, Goofy, and José to vote,, but TWICE ??
    Yea - I was really puzzled until I looked it up - Truly fascinating example of chaos ... But I get it - The State is a real thing - 50 independent "nation states" within a common Federation. Each one in charge of its voting mechanism.

    For us - The Feds have Elections Canada for the national elections. You can choose with your tax return to register as a voter. In the election the voter list is generated and you just need to prove that you are you and line up with the name on the list.

    Almost all get piece of paper in the mail that lines up with the list and they strike off the name as they hand you a ballot. If you lost your voter paper in the mail you just need to show gov photo ID for your name on the list and you are set.

    If you are not on the list you just need two people (who are on the list) give a sworn statement that you are you, are a citizen, and reside in that district.

    If you are dead your estate is closed and you are off the list... Simple.
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    How is it voter suppression to identify who is eligible to vote ?
    Because the Dems want illegals , mental defectives, ex-cons,street winos, children and probably your cat to vote. As far as letting children vote, where did they get that idea, Nicaragua?

    Saw a thing once where a guy had a leash with a wire in it or something and a collar that maintained a round shape even tho nothing was in it. It allowed him to walk his imaginary dog. Think how people hail a taxi here and you get the idea. Or maybe they are petting the same imaginary dog?

    Panama is starting up their airport. They seem to have a system going where you get tested or they test you on arrival. If you flunk you go to a quarantine hotel. Sounds like it could be pricey but at least it is a system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    Truly fascinating example of chaos ... But I get it - The State is a real thing - 50 independent "nation states" within a common Federation. Each one in charge of its voting mechanism. For us - The Feds have Elections Canada for the national elections.
    Bill, that's an unfair comparison. Canada is civilized. The at times United States is working on maintaining our Super Power credentials, but what with a messy pandemic gumming up the system and now this nationwide clusterf~k of voting for commander-in-chief, when we've already got a kickass, outspeaking leader, well, we'll have to postpone being civil for a bit. Please be understanding, or else.

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    I know they want my cat to vote, and I don’t even have a cat.

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