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    can beat COVID,, anyone can beat COVID.

    This begs the question,, how many died unnecessarily ?
    Why did Germany do so well ?

    What are the keys to Trump's success?

    1. Early intervention.

    One of the TV doctors panning the use of Dexamethazone:
    "We usually wait until the patient is on a ventilator. Trump's treatment was overly aggressive."

    2. Better therapeutics.

    Clearly the Regeneron helped.
    But, we had the equivalent in convalescent plasma from the beginning.

    3. Early intervention.

    If everyone were treated like Trump, many fewer would have died.
    We'll have to see yet how the White House outbreak rolls out,, but if no one dies, this will become a scandal of medical incompetence and negligence. Many thousands did not have to die.



    COVID has become a non issue in Nicaragua. The virus has burned out.
    Pockets of it will fester in some of the remote Caribbean regions for a while.

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    Yes, early treatment was key. It's a game of numbers: the toxic load of an overwhelming population of coronaviruses in one human kills. Most immune systems can handle the low numbers of viruses.
    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    Clearly the Regeneron helped. . . . we had the equivalent in convalescent plasma from the beginning.
    I doubt Regeneron helped. It's an antibody cocktail, not antiviral, and not equivalent to plasma from someone who was battling the same viral infection.

    The remdesivir was the only antiviral given to him in the hospital and the fact that he'd regularly been taking zinc undoubtedly helped. A treatment of remdesivir costs $3,120 or $2,340 for Medicare and Medicaid patients.

    The press is saying, sure test early & often and as soon as you get a positive, spend $100,000 in hospital care on each and save ten thousand lives for only a billion. Hell, it's only money. American elites are worth it.

    HCQ + Zn +(azitro) given early is the poor man's sure cure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post

    I doubt Regeneron helped. It's an antibody cocktail, not antiviral, and not equivalent to plasma from someone who was battling the same viral infection.

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    He is still obviously feeling the effects. Whether it is real or a play for the camera ? Who knows

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    Tucson is home to part of the Regeneron trial.
    It's hard not to imagine any older COVID patient not demanding the same treatment as the President, with the amazing outcome he had.

    Did Regeneron have anything to do with Trump's recovery?
    Who knows,, many people do get a light case.

    This WILL shift the intervention earlier, maybe we should have hospitalized everyone beyond a certain age?
    ICU beds were in short supply, but not regular beds.
    Some opportunities lost: They could have turned the surgery centers into Covid intervention points.
    It just seems that we should have learned more,, more quickly. But,, who knew ?


    One of the doctors that Shelley works with is participating in the Moderna trial,, along with his wife.
    She got the vaccine,, he got the placedo.

    You are not supposed to know if you are the chosen one,, but he said it was obvious.
    She got some injection site swelling and a mild fever. He got nothing.

    Dr Clark is in his 60's.


    So,, now it's all shifted to the vaccine,, but not until after the election.

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    Germany did well because they have a competent health service and responsible politicians.

    Hopefully Trump will pull through but it ain't over for a month or so. I think most people have made up their minds on the election, but the few undecideds are not going to be happy with his antics. And there is a secondary factor of voters who through up their hands and don't vote at the last minute. And then a Harris victory will kill far more than covid.

    If Trump gets reelected the first thing he should do is start a criminal investigation of CDC/NIH. If he still has the Senate and doesn't get impeached in January.

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...=2611427&faf=1


    And who has been saying this ?
    Ahh,, now I remember: the Oracle of Leon.

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    OK, time to go lick the roof!

    Reminds me that vitamins are back in supply at my usual source, including zin and b complejo.

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    OK, time to go lick the roof!

    Reminds me that vitamins are back in supply at my usual source, including zin and b complejo.



    Pfizer is talking about a EUA for its vaccine towards the end of November.

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    poor Trump, the elections might be over by the end of November...

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

    ...with a 6 foot stick and mask and gloves....


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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    poor Trump, the elections might be over by the end of November...
    Which November?
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    Back in the USA, I'm following the Biden-son Hunter laptop hard drive 'scandal' that the NY Post trumpeted, after being given a copy of the HD by Giuliani whose lawyer got it from a 'friend' of the guy who repaired the Mac Pro laptop. Repaired but never reclaimed, so the guy turned it over to the FBI in Dec 2019 (after making a copy). Twitter & FB squashed the NYPost story where & whenever it popped up. So Congress (Repubs) are after Twitter, FB and the FBI.

    Beyond the Biden-Ukraine goings-on, the core issue raised: is sleepy Joe Biden the Manchurian candidate, will he be China's puppet in the White House? (There's no question that he's somebody's puppet.)

    For the Dem's counter-offensive the NY Times said the laptop was planted in the Delaware repair shop by the Russians who have been actively feeding Giuliani malarkey on the Bidens. Of course, the network news channels (ABC,CBS,NBC,PBS) reflected the Times' slant on the story.

    I don't know who or what to believe, but it does spice up the election endgame. Here in Jersey all ballots are mail-in; into the yellow envelope which gets signed and put in the green envelope with name & address visible thru window, which goes into the postage-paid white envelope. Such expenditure.

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