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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    Going back to January, the mathematically changed and the wishful thinkers have a fundamental problem--if a vaccine is 90% effective that means it is 10 INNEFFECTIVE. Then comes Delta spreading it faster.
    And this is the first order data point that so many point too, not that you are 90% likely to NOT proceed with infection but that you are 10% (Certain?) to catch it...

    Then there is substantive evidence that the infection is lower in severity, the chance of hospitalization significantly lower, and so on.

    Aug results (The first month with over 70% vaccination w/2dose) that were released yesterday, shows 2 in 1,000 hospitalized.


    Now on the flip side other data was released by the statistics group - They see a span of 9,000 infections a day by Oct 1 if we go balls to the wall open vs 500 a day if we tighten a little more - Consensus it that most local and the provincial Gov't is aiming at regulations pointing to 3,000 cases a day which will still allow the same economic activity but keep the populous from going stir crazy and the Hospitals somewhat clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    But going back to D-Yo's binary comments.
    My binary comments? Tsk, tsk, officer Bly. Naught is purely black or white. Even for the color-blind reality comes in infinite shades of gray.

    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    The vaccine is binary - Those who have take it can not "Un-take it"
    First, these are not true vaccines. They are genetic agents that enhance (most of the time) our bodies’ ability to defend against infections that arise thru their spike proteins’ special ability to invade all the cells of our bodies. Second, there are more than two. Or is all of reality binary to you, officer Bly?


    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    The last 18% up here ... I would _guess_ that a good 1/2 of those are never vaxers and they will never take it.
    “Never vaxers” is a derogatory term that first arose, as I recall, with those who felt Hg-stabilizers in certain real vaccines caused autism in their children that took the vaccines. Most simply don’t trust what they’ll get and want to learn more first. (In the USA we “trust in God”, not our government, which has been seized from the people. You Canadians are a royally different lot.) Even the inventor of the m-RNA therapy (“vaccine’) advises many against using them, largely because of their unknown long-term effects on the human body, even tho he & his daughters got the jab.

    You use the term to end argument, to shut down inquiry - perhaps, unconsciously. I don't see you as a troll. But today all seem polarized by the reining insanities gripping the world today. I welcome the chance to find a rationale, friendly disagreement. Hell, we may even agreement on what virus soup we live in actually is.



    Quote Originally Posted by bill_bly_ca View Post
    The Netherlands is very antivax - Some of my cousins and one aunt are over the wall loopy on it. ... You know the saying about us Dutch men.... Wooden shoes, Wooden head, Wouldn't listen...
    IMO, the Dutch are the smartest humanitarians of Europe. Tremendously inventive folk. My dissertation advisor's Dutch.

    I'll comment more later. Time-out. I want to listen to Bannon's WarRoom now.
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    Ah yes, the Youtube censorship. The badge of honor for the intrepid resistance. Or, about equally possible, the natural progression of pre-designed controlled opposition.

    Set up an actor to play a doctor and make lots of doctor-like noises, dress him in scrubs, have him say in medical sounding jargon all the stuff that half the population wants to believe. This is the yang to Dr. Fauci's yin, of course. Between the two (binary, yes binary) viewpoints, everyone's mind is stirred into a heady brew of Kovid Kombucha. Since both sides are controlled by the same people, I can only conclude that both sides are wrong. And this is why it is NOT a binary choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    ...First, these are not true vaccines. They are genetic agents that enhance (most of the time) our bodies’ ability to defend against infections that arise thru their spike proteins’ special ability to invade all the cells of our bodies. Second, there are more than two.

    IMO, the Dutch are the smartest humanitarians of Europe. Tremendously inventive folk. My dissertation advisor's Dutch.
    The censored doctor said that the gene therapy shot potentially weakens the immune systems in children, who naturally have stronger immune systems than adults. That was one of his reasons for avoiding it. How long the weakened effect lasts, no one knows. Another thing he said was that full approval of the gene therapy shot was legal only if there were no authorized treatments available (like ivermectin and hyroxychloroquine), so there was a clear agenda behind not authorizing their use and pushing the Big Pharma get-rich-quick shots instead.

    There are three (IIRC) vaxes that use attenuated viruses, the old fashioned way, but we're not allowed to have those in the good ol' U S of A.

    As for the Dutch, they are a smart people. They also had the Dutch East India Company, whose descendants are sometimes blamed for the world's current problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    First, these are not true vaccines. They are genetic agents that enhance (most of the time) our bodies’ ability to defend against infections that arise thru their spike proteins’ special ability to invade all the cells of our bodies.


    On that I would agree - The Maderna and Pfizer are infection avoidance schemas - The AZ/Covid shield is a real vaccine - and what we (Chilo and I) originally wanted - But the 64 blood clots cases per per 1million doses, with 6 deaths resulting, was something it could not shake here after the media ran with it.
    Applying the term Vaccine to the mRNA treatments was to calm those who could, or choose not, to know the difference.


    Sober reflection a couple months later showed that clotting was statistically slightly more that the regular occurrence for the first 1/3 of the year (AZ vs unvaccinated people ) But the damage was done and AZ is still a rare find here.


    Sorry - I use the term Nevervaxers in the context of people I know who are and will always be nevervaxers . if I would take 100ppl I know, I can name 9 nevervaxers right off top of my head. And no, no one here would be in that 100 as I have typed with ya'll for over a decade, I do not know any of you in passing other that John S who I have probably sat and drank coffee with for a day or two over the past 8 yrs so in his SJDS encampment.
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    I was astonished at the level of anti vax sentimentales.

    Friends are suddenly coming out of the wood work, saying,,
    "Not me"!

    I still plan on getting the J &J shot, and scamming a second as a booster.

    There is something about the vaccinations and the inmune system. Russians involved in the biológical warfare program were constantly being vaccinated and many wound up with trashed immune system.

    That is a fascinating story,, a harbinger of the future. It won't be long before Israel tells us of an Iranian bio warfare lab in the Afghani mountains along the Paki border.

    But, that's another thread.

    I've gotten jabbed (or squirted, i was in the army while those high pressure air injectors enjoyed a brief popularity), so many times.

    I still get a tetanus booster every year.
    And I'm a sucker for anything new my NP runs by me.

    Shingles? Why not. We have a new pneumonia vaccine,, ?
    Sure. Same arm? Or you want to spread the wealth?

    The ability to turn a vaccine quickly, even if it's only 80% will be crucial if the Iranians do a Twelve Monkeys on us.

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    John S who I have probably sat and drank coffee with for a day or two over the past 8 yrs so in his SJDS encampment




    Is John still alive and kicking?
    I haven't seen him in over two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post

    Is John still alive and kicking?
    I haven't seen him in over two years.
    Oh yea - He had some health issues that were addressed in the states but he is back now.

    Just a couple days ago he posted that More antivaxxers, less antivaxers meme with some actor (forget his name but he is holting a martini and smiling ) and had a flurry of Pro vax camp comments. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    Reality, we need a high level of vaccination, semi-permanent or a least seasonal protocols (masks), and changes in lifestyle, public health codes, and labor laws. ... border controls, too.
    I respectfully disagree. I recognize that is what we’re told. But if we are to continue as sapiens sapiens in this human experiment on earth, let’s all do an intelligent risk-benefits analysis of this covid ‘pandemic’ first. Let us think, once again.
    “Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.” - from CDC.gov,
    * Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians. More than half of those killed are pedestrians, motorcyclists, or cyclists.
    * Crash injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age.

    Yet, we don’t outlaw cars, or say, prohibit access to roads for half of all vehicles every other day - to avoid deaths, or drop the speed limit to well below 55. Sure there's lots we do do to make roadways safer. By paying mind to the real costs that counterbalance any expected life benefits.

    Gentlemen, I submit that all that is said on the covid ‘pandemic’ lacks perspective, or rather, totally ignores the reality of the current situation. Most amounts to propaganda. Do intelligent people really think the current delta-etc covid 'pandemic' is as deadly dangerous as the 1918 pandemic that barely made news copy? Why? God knows. The great reset? A planned agreement among those who rule to avoid WWIII, as nations have already begun to align? Because collectively we are truly too stupid to continue to be considered sapiens sapiens?


    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    Way to much for a corrupt and dying nation like the US.
    Show me a nation that’s not corrupt. Dying? Or busy struggling to be reborn on the backs of common men of common sense, because its elites are too stinking rotten, too myopic, too traitorous?

    China is grossly overextended, and though they have the numbers, they are suffocating them under excessive totalitarian controls. All they touch gets smothered. Their experiment with capitalism is failing to align under CCP control. Xi’s tower to heaven will collapse.
    Meanwhile the bridges they build do help the world as long as they remain international.
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    Part of the problem in the US is that the government has deemed the vaccine to be the primary universal tool. The stats say obesity and uncontrolledly diabetes are the main killers, and I suspect that that is why covid deaths are unreported in Nic. Why waste expensive tests to "verify" somebody died of covid when you could spend the money and time on treatment.
    But back to the point--why isn't the govmint on a massive anti-obesity and anti uncontrolled diabetes campaign? Why aren't they mandating HEPA filters on ACs in public places? Why aren't they closing night clubs for the duration. One airline is adding a $200 surcharge per month for unvaccinated employees. why aren't the charging fatsos $200 a month extra?

    I am not a great believer in coincidences. The leadership from the leaders in the US at all levels has been horrible. Chinese money or political sympathies may explain Fauci, stupidly may explain Trump, dementia may be Biden's excuse, but where does it end?

    The US, the census report is out .The US has fallen to less than 60 percent white. While race is not the perfect tool to see of the state of a nation, it is the best fuzzy indicator of what is going on. The US is too far down the road to a multinational, multilingual state like Yugoslavia or the USSR to recover.

    And solutions are few. I hope President Harris fires Fauci and the gang, but the problem is she will replace them with DOCs, dipshits of color, so there will be no net gain.

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

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    Fatties are close to becoming a protected class.
    Pretty soon it will be LQBTXYZ+Fatties

    Say "fatty" and you will be charged with a hate crime.

    Why aren't they mandating HEPA filters on ACs in public places?


    Cause they probably found out,, or knew, that the HEPA filters don't protect any better than the mask.
    Great for allergens,, a basketball compared to the speck of dust sized virus particle.

    How about something zinc or anti viral, based that we could spray in our noses ?
    For most people,, that is where the virus initially attaches.

    You saw it here first,, zinc/ ivermectin spray for your nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    How about something zinc or anti viral, based that we could spray in our noses? For most people,, that is where the virus initially attaches. You saw it here first,, zinc/ ivermectin spray for your nose.
    A totally capital idea!
    For me, very dilute Zn plus chloroquine (or HCQ). Not just to avoid infection, but, with a few full nasal snorts beforehand, to guarantee passing all covid tests pre-flight or pre-border crossing.
    Patent it in Nicaragua and the regime will love you forever. Besides, you may very well need para-military-level protection once Big-Pharma sends their goons to eliminate the competition. Beware of any crews led by a short frail-looking dude who talks like Bugs Bunny. (The Fauci hit squad is fabled).
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    Meanwhile, its Lite time!

    Ruskies are sending a new vaccine Lite--1 shot, 80 % effective. It should speed up the vaccination process. 1 friend has gotten her Sputnik phone call for shot #2 next week, my wife is stressed that she has not gotten her call. Among other things, they have to tell you which clinic to go to. Thousands of people at 3 different clinics at 5 AM is a lot of logistics. not to mention one big traffic jam.

    Panama has quarantine Lite for peeple from bad countries like the USA and CR. 3 days in the cooler, I mean hotel, if you don't have vaccine card + 14 days. Negative test at 3 day mark springs you from hotel.

    When will the dummies realize the vaccine cards are already being counterfeited. Probably the easy fix is to start QR coding them.

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    A top Canadian epidemiologist lays the blame for the scientific confusion over the worldwide Covid pandemic at the feet of America in today’s NYTimes.

    "How did the effectiveness of a drug like hydroxychloroquine become a political litmus test, rather than a question for dispassionate clinical study? Nothing is gained when basic scientific and policy questions become ideological footballs. The United States is the dominant biomedical research entity in the world, and so its flagrant political dysfunction became a global problem. This infused everything that we epidemiologists did with doubt, suspicion and the whiff of partisanship.
    ___ "Politics has dogged us at every turn in these past 18 months — astonishing failings at the C.D.C. and F.D.A. under political appointees, the politicization of proven interventions like masks and vaccines, and more."
    Take the return to in-person schooling. By April 2020, over three-quarters of the world’s schoolchildren were at home, yet we quickly learned enough to safely reopen schools for younger children — with measures like masking and ventilation — and this is indeed what happened in much of Canada, Europe and Asia. But that progress from evidence to policy hit a brick wall in the United States when the Trump administration aggressively promoted resumption of in-person schooling as a crucial step toward economic recovery. When the former president threw his weight behind the priority that children should be back in classrooms, blue-state politicians, teachers unions and many epidemiologists were adamantly opposed. Rational discourse about the policy question became all but impossible. Every interpretation of evidence became colored by the suspicion that it was in the service of a political allegiance.
    "Science is a social process, and we all live amid the social soup of personalities, parties and power. The political dysfunction that holds America hostage also holds science hostage. To restore faith in science, there must be faith in social institutions more broadly, and this requires a political reckoning. The real problem is simply that sick societies have sick institutions."

    His conclusion, paraphrased: go to the barricades to fight for the revolution.

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    Lotta 'Muricans want Fauci prosecuted criminally. Trouble is, to do any good you would have to take down all of CDC/NIH with him. I say contract out with some smart muchacho or muchacha from Taiwan.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it is getting kinda scary. Every couple days my wife gets a message of somebody else in el barrio viejo who died. The man who reupholstered our truck seat passed away this week...

    "Support mental health or I'll break your head"

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