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    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...=wnl_edit_tpal


    So, a Nobel Prize winning medication that changed the lives of millions for the better, and was discounted on CNN as a horse dewormer, prevails.

    I've always believed "The Truth Eventually Comes Out" but with the current media manipulation, and the predominance of Big Tech controlling the flow of information,, it's coming out a lot slower.

    How many lives could have been changed with early treatment using the simple, inexpensive,, ivermectin, azith, and dexamethazone ??


    At least we've learned out lessons for the next one.
    Some of us . . .

    One of the big pluses of living in Nicaragua is,, you can get the medication you need, quickly (important) and inexpensively.
    I had a tree branch scratch the side of my next, reached up with a dirty hand to see if the skin was broken, and the next day had a staph infection at the site.

    BUT, since I had Cephalexin in house,, and could being treatment immediately,, the infection cleared up in a day or two.


    It's odd,, we live in what is clearly a (for most part benevolent) dictatorship, but have far more autonomy over our lives than in the US.

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    Default Re: So, The Sage of Leon Will Be Proved Right

    Ivermectin is made in Nicaragua, Laboratorios Ramos. A 6mg pill costs roughly a nickel. I take one a week as a preventative since I go everywhere without a mask.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    At least we've learned out lessons for the next one.
    Some of us . . .
    Makes one wonder. What's that saying? "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.". Many are content just gliding along, trusting authority. As Rousseau put it, "Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains." Hell, man, they're comfortable, velvet-wrapped chains.


    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    It's odd,, we live in what is clearly a (for most part benevolent) dictatorship, but have far more autonomy over our lives than in the US.
    Politics is normally pretty distant from most people's lives. It's social differences, cultural differences. Just compare two professions in our two worlds: lawyers and doctors. Liability laws, lawsuits, contracts, all is insured (your health, life, car, house, and so on), you must be licenced to practice a trade, to earn a living at damned near any trade, ... and there're few meds you can buy without a prescription that only a doc can give you, for a price. That's life in the USA.

    In Nicaragua if you step into the hole in front of your neighbor's house, that's your own dumb fault. When I first drove there in 2006 I didn't need insurance. The capitalists, the financiers changed that and want to change much more there. But what chance does a little country have going up against global finance?

    Big Pharma with the help of an epidemic of willful medical stupidity in the ruling (developed) countries has made great wealth and taught compliant politicians how their subjects and those of satellite countries can be controlled. Yes, authoritarian capitalism can compete with totalitarian communism.
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    Default Re: So, The Sage of Leon Will Be Proved Right

    I've read that aspirin also helps. The biggest help is turning off your TV set.

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    Yes, authoritarian capitalism can compete with totalitarian communism.



    And that is what we have here, a queer blend of some socialism (free medical care, but no welfare or EBT) and a savage buyer beware capitalism.

    You work here or you starve (except for the FSLN minions). If you are connected, you have a big leg up, obviously, but no different than being born into a wealthy family.

    It's an odd economy where you can make more selling chips at a good location than you can make from a day's labor.
    A degree in business administration gets you a job as a bank clerk, $350 - $400, about what a teacher or nurse makes.

    A lot of campesinos take day work for $5 or $6 /day.

    Still,, many have no rent or other expense.
    It's enough,, but not enough to get ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    Yes, authoritarian capitalism can compete with totalitarian communism.



    And that is what we have here, a queer blend of some socialism (free medical care, but no welfare or EBT) and a savage buyer beware capitalism.

    You work here or you starve (except for the FSLN minions). If you are connected, you have a big leg up, obviously, but no different than being born into a wealthy family.

    It's an odd economy where you can make more selling chips at a good location than you can make from a day's labor.
    A degree in business administration gets you a job as a bank clerk, $350 - $400, about what a teacher or nurse makes.

    A lot of campesinos take day work for $5 or $6 /day.

    Still,, many have no rent or other expense.
    It's enough,, but not enough to get ahead
    Great way of putting it. Few people will ever gain this insight, I'm glad you put it as succinctly as you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    You work here or you starve (except for the FSLN minions).
    I'm going on 15 yrs in Nicaragua and I've never seen or heard of anyone starving. Poor people here take care of one another. They share. Partly it's just the catholic philosophy, but there are a lot of big-hearted Nicas. There's a lot of overripe fruit in the marketplace at the end of the day; it ain't wasted. We tend to only see those of our economic strata and they are as stingy as we are. But the poor are a different breed of human.

    It is true the Sandinistas have somewhat formalized welfare with their neighborhood centers, but, as far as I know, they help all who come begging. Sure they'd expect political loyalty, but do they get it. Most, I'm sure, just play along, after all it's the only game in town.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    It's an odd economy where you can make more selling chips at a good location than you can make from a day's labor. A lot of campesinos take day work for $5 or $6 /day.
    I greatly admire Nicas' entrepreneurial gumption. I wish I'd learned it, but I always believed I had to work for someone who had the money to pay me or some corporation or service. That was a job for me, by definition. Not all are adept at making a living from hawking stuff. And good salesmen are a special breed.
    Doing field work from your home gives you the freedom to skip a day - if you want to and can afford to - or it can help support a struggling sidewalk business. Most, if not all, Nicas grow up knowing they have to work. But they, without doubt, value their leisure time, which often is family time. Many, esp. men, love to loaf. Women, who love their gossip circles, still manage to stay busy doing nails or hair or knitting or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    Still,, many have no rent or other expense.
    It's enough,, but not enough to get ahead
    And most Nicas have no mortgage, no cars, no expensive appliances - they're not modern wage-slaves, locked into lifelong debt. Of course, first world bankers want to convert them, even if under the boot of first world govmints.

    It's not that Nicas don't want the luxuries they see gringos have. But they generally accept life as they see it. Few are smitten with ambition. For them time=life. For most gringos time=money.

    "Progress is our most important product." But do we even know where we're headed, and what we're leaving behind? Technologically we're constantly changing. As human beings we're not so different from our ancestors, who had it rough, or so we convince ourselves. For young Nicas a cell phone is modern freedom, esp. with FB & WhatsApp (Does the Zuck actually make money off of all these third-world users?). For us it was cars, McMansions. bigger flatscreen TVs, faster computers, ... Horse-drawn carts are still used in much of Nicaragua. Very economical. What's the rush?

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    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...11018_MSCPEDIT


    "Ralph Lorigo doesn't see it that way. The attorney from Buffalo, New York, filed his first of several ivermectin lawsuits in January after being approached by the family of an 80-year-old woman who was in the hospital on a ventilator. His second case was later that month, for a hospitalized 65-year-old woman.


    In both cases, judges ordered hospitals to give the women get ivermectin as their families wanted.
    Both women survived their hospitalizations. "

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    From Medscape:
    On a PA losing his license for prescribing ivermectine, dexamethasone, azith


    In one case that was cited in the report, a 39-year-old patient contacted the pediatric clinic, and Miller spoke with the patient by phone. The patient reported that he had tested positive for COVID. Miller advised the patient to take supplements, including vitamin D and C, zinc, and melatonin, and he prescribed ivermectin, dexamethasone, and azithromycin. He did not perform an exam, verify the information that the patient had provided, advise the patient regarding interactions, or order follow-up testing, the report states.


    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961124?uac=122026BV&faf=1&sso=true&impID=3726313&s rc=mkm_covid_update_211019_MSCPEDIT



    What's queer about this is,, telemedicine is getting big,, if it had been anything else no one would have cared.

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    There is a great line in Twelve Monkeys,
    towards the end:

    "So, it's not about the virus, it's about doing what you are told"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    There is a great line in Twelve Monkeys,
    towards the end:

    "So, it's not about the virus, it's about doing what you are told"
    Bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyWestPirate View Post
    There is a great line in Twelve Monkeys,
    towards the end:
    "So, it's not about the virus, it's about doing what you are told"
    I've got to rewatch that flic. I barely remember the plotline. Just the time-travel 'liberty' from a matrix-mechanical-prison into an insane asylum. And the frantic jibberish dialog.

    The virus wasn't some Chinese bioweapon funded by Fauci and capitalized on by a cast of millions of blue minions, but a regular old mad scientist's doing? The good old days.

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    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6291892762001



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    Americans are too freedom-loving to have a small pandemic so we had a big one.

    One youtube doctor predicts 10 years to wind down the pandemic. there are just too many places in the world where a new variant can pop up.

    The good news is that many mild cases are going unreported so the total infected may be much greater than the leaky govmint/fake news stats. If omicron gives any reasonable degree of immunity this could be a good thing at least on a local level. S.Africa seems to be over the hump but it is wait and see if something else develops.

    AZ is still predicted to peak in mid-Feb but take till April to be back down to pre-omicron.
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    AZ is still predicted to peak in mid-Feb but take till April to be back down to pre-omicron.


    One would assume that Arizona would be less susceptible to a respiratory virus.
    The dry air, milder winters

    Where I am in Nicaragua the kids are constantly running around with leaky noses,
    which they clean with their hand, wiping any excess onto their shirts

    Adenoviruses,, probably,, with a bit of influenza mixed in

    Add fly and bee ridden latrines,, with no provision for hand washing,, to the soup.
    Let's not forget also the parasites and iffy diet for many in the campo.


    But this constant testing and motivation of your immune system
    -if you survive-
    has got to be a good thing.

    Whether China unleashed this virus purposely, or not, they have had to have seen and appreciated the results of the experiment.

    Cortez (and the others) conquered Mexico and Latin America with steel and germs.
    The outcome was probably inevitable, but the germs certainly sped the conquest along.

    Why nuke an opponent, with all the destruction and residual radioactivity, when you can just make him sick?
    And the beauty of this is,, any small rogue country can be a player.

    Pakistan just has to develop the right virus,, and a vaccine.

    While the US stews in a moral quagmire (how's that for a metaphor) ,
    and our transgender army decides whether to wear a skirt or pants,,

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    A discussion of immune system response, specifically antibody activity:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...=pocket-newtab


    What I still find curious is the ease with which the newly vaccinated are infected.
    Granted, the vaccines help prevent serious disease and death.

    But wouldn't a conventional vaccine, where the vector is a complete inactivated virus, provide a broader response?

    I'm not criticizing the original science. The Warp Speed initiative was amazing.
    Being able to bring the vaccine to market so quickly undoubtedly saved millions of lives world wide.

    A relatively recent "all you want to know about vaccines and then some"


    https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid...id-19-vaccines

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    There are dead virus vaccines available. The US just doesn't want them. The Trump vaccines were a fantastic success, just not the near-perfect vaccine that people wanted. Incidentally, my doctor says they are giving the AstraZeneca vaccine as a booster here in Nic.

    Viruses are tough critters. Look at the limited success of flu vaccines after all these years of trying.
    And the Americans are too freedom loving to have a small pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el duende grande View Post
    There are dead virus vaccines available. The US just doesn't want them. The Trump vaccines were a fantastic success, just not the near-perfect vaccine that people wanted. Incidentally, my doctor says they are giving the AstraZeneca vaccine as a booster here in Nic.

    Viruses are tough critters. Look at the limited success of flu vaccines after all these years of trying.
    And the Americans are too freedom loving to have a small pandemic.



    It's disheartening when you have a wider choice of vaccines in Nicaragua than you have in the US

    As I remember,, the first vaccine Nicaragua offered was the Sputnik,, but they didn't have that many doses available,, 50K maybe.

    Then they went to AstraZeneca, gifted by COVAX

    Then there was some Pfizer available.
    I know Nicaraguans who got a Pfizer in Nicaragua, and others who traveled to Honduras to get Pfizer there.


    I assume that now the Chinese vaccines are available in Nicaragua, given the news reports.


    Here you get to choose your poison, from the menu of three that are available.
    The J&J is no longer generally available at pharmacies, the major chains only offer Moderna and Pfizer.
    Perhaps they sense that some future liability may attach to the J&J because of the blood clot issue.

    The government clinics are still offering J&J, but offer it as a two shot regimen with a booster two months later.
    Booster can be anything.

    (I got my Moderna booster from a Pima county clinic that was a repurposed STD clinic.
    One time the 6 foot social distancing made sense)

    This could be handy for someone who needed a vaccination,, and also had gonorrhea


    I'm surprised that Brandon isn't talking about a "new vaccine that will put this virus to bed forever"
    I can only assume he's afraid that the remainder of the un vaccinated will use that as an excuse to

    "wait for the new vaccine that works"

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    So this guy goes to the doctor as he is not feeling well at all.
    The doctor performs a variety of tests and after a couple of weeks, calls the guy back in for a consultation.
    The doctor says that they finally figured out that he has "HAGS Syndrome....and that it is a serious condition. It is a combination of Herpes, Aids, Gonorrhea, and Syphilis".
    The guy is worried and asks "what is next"?
    The doctor says that he must check into a specially equipped hospital where he will be put into a special room that is securely locked. He will be than put on a strict diet of pancakes, waffles and pizza.
    The guy says "Well OK but why the strict diet"?
    Doc says "'Cause that's all we can shove under the door."
    Life's different here ... It's a whole 'nother pace.

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    "Perhaps they sense that some future liability may attach to the J&J because of the blood clot issue"

    In America, only the patient has liability. That's possibly half of what bugs the anti-vaxxers.

    One theory online about why ivermectin may work in some countries is that the people have undiagnosed parasites and the ivermectin fixed that so the patient has one less cross to bear.

    Easy to pick on a senile old man. Everybody knew when he was elected he was just an acting president. I just can't understand why he hasn't been pushed out the door yet. Is Cameltoe that bad?

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