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    I got this off Marlies site, and posted it here and am trying to get ya´ll some pictures from here, but my service is so slow...It is really frustrateing.

    This story does well in summing up the tensions between the larger Yatama No Sandinista´s and those that aligned with the FSLN

    BY TIM ROGERS
    Special to The Miami Herald

    MANAGUA -- Efforts to cancel upcoming municipal elections in parts
    of Nicaragua's hurricane-ravaged North Atlantic Autonomous Region
    sparked rioting Friday in the indigenous community of Bilwi, where
    opposition leaders claim the Sandinista government of President
    Daniel Ortega is trying to establish a dictatorship.

    ''The situation is chaotic and dangerous, and I think it is going to
    get even hotter,'' anti-Sandinista indigenous leader Osorno Coleman,
    said in a phone interview from Bilwi. ``The authorities have to act
    prudent right now.''

    Two people were shot and there were conflicting reports on their
    status. Several others were injured by rocks as the regional
    Sandinista-allied group, YATAMA, clashed with a much larger
    opposition group that met with a delegation of Liberal Party
    lawmakers who traveled to the coast to investigate the situation.

    The three visiting lawmakers were initially held hostage on their
    airplane, which was surrounded by some 80 YATAMA supporters. A
    larger group of several thousand anti-Sandinista indigenous people
    then came to the lawmakers' rescue, clashing with the YATAMA group.

    The rioting then spread as anti-Sandinista protesters took over the
    YATAMA-controlled mayor's office, looting the building and breaking
    windows, while another group burned two government vehicles in the
    street. All flights to and from the regional airport were canceled
    for the second time in a week.

    Coleman claims that the gunshots came from the YATAMA group headed
    by Brooklyn Rivera, a former anti-Sandinista militant who formed a
    controversial electoral alliance with Ortega in exchange for a seat
    in the National Assembly.

    Rivera, meanwhile, claims the violence and rioting was incited by
    the three visiting lawmakers, including Enrique Quiñónez, against
    whom the Sandinistas filed a criminal accusation Friday afternoon.

    ''The population on the coast doesn't have guns; it was the Liberals
    who went there and got the people drunk and drugged and gave them
    weapons, which they fired indiscriminately, killing one of their
    own,'' Rivera told the Miami Herald.

    Quiñónez said he and the other lawmakers went to the coast only to
    listen to the concerns of lawmakers, and that he wouldn't dignify
    Rivera's ''stupid comments'' with a response.

    ''The same ones who tried to persecute and exterminate the people on
    the Atlantic coast in the 1980s are, with their YATAMA allies, again
    trying to take away the right of the coastal population to have free
    elections,'' Quiñónez told the Herald.

    The National Police sent a high-level delegation from Managua out to
    the Caribbean coast by helicopter to investigate, but as of Friday
    night police and military reportedly had not intervened in the
    violence, witnesses said.

    At the center of the controversy is the Sandinistas' efforts to
    cancel the upcoming November elections in three municipalities under
    the argument that the conditions for voting don't exist due to
    damage caused by last September's Hurricane Felix, which destroyed
    much of the region, including school houses used for voting.

    Ortega last week called for a suspension of the elections in the
    municipalities of Bilwi, Waspam and Prinzapolka -- the same three
    municipalities controlled by the Sandinistas and their YATAMA ally.

    The opposition claims the Sandinistas' real motive is to hold onto
    power by avoiding elections they would lose. Critics claim efforts
    to suspend the vote is another example of the Sandinista government
    politicizing the hurricane disaster to meet its own needs.

    Enrique Sáenz, of the dissident Sandinista Renovation Movement, said
    the ruling Sandinista Front is ''afraid that the [Caribbean] coastal
    population is going to hand them the bill after their disastrous
    terms in office.'' He noted that the previous elections have been
    held in the Caribbean during times of flooding and even amid violent
    protests, and says the conditions are no worse now.

    Bernicia Sanders, a leader of an indigenous women's group from
    Bilwi, traveled to Managua last week to ask opposition political
    parties for support in defending the region's right to hold
    elections.

    ''We know our rights,'' she said. ``And we need to elect our own
    leaders.''

    Coleman, a former anti-Sandinista militant leader from the 1980s,
    says that canceling the elections would be nothing short of
    canceling democracy. ''If they suspend the elections, we will have a
    dictatorship, '' he said.

    There is also disagreement over which government institution would
    have the right to cancel the elections. Ortega has said the final
    word is up to the regional government council, controlled by YATAMA,
    while opposition lawmakers insist only the National Assembly has the
    right to cancel an election.
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    trying again
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    Now how in the heck did TRN´s member FishingPlummer wind up getting caught up in a riot?

    This was Thursday night before the $hit hit the fan to a roadblock just up from my home.

    We shared cigarettes, gallettas, and conversations with this group of protesters....
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    More´n one way to skin a cat eh?
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    Hell yea, I´m a possom eatin Plowboy...
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    Hey, you eat Possom?

    I do...
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    I talked with these boy´s this morning and they had painted a note of protest on the street saying they wanted their right to vote, and they wanted it even if they had to paint the street red with....

    They are unhappy campers with the current admin...
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    Nice photo-journalism JW! Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain John Wayne View Post
    Hell yea, I´m a possom eatin Plowboy...
    don't let tv see this, i am a simple man, so i don't get it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Demento View Post
    don't let tv see this, i am a simple man, so i don't get it....
    Come on man, there was a famous Country and Western song done by the ¨Possum Eatin´Cowboys¨ but since I am from the east of the Mississippi ya´ll call us Plowboys....
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    Possum Eatin' Cowboys - are they the ones from Brokeback Mountain?

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    Post The latest from the Miami Herald (April 7th)

    Indigenous Nicaragua towns oppose elections change By TIM ROGERS Special to The Miami Herald (April 7th)

    MANAGUA --
    Tensions continue to simmer on Nicaragua's northern Caribbean coast following anti-government rioting last Friday that culminated with election officials postponing the upcoming vote in three Sandinista-controlled indigenous municipalities.Osorno ''Comandante Blas'' Coleman, leader of the Miskito indigenous movement known as "YATAMA No Sandinista," said Monday that most people in the regional capital outpost of Bilwi -- one of the municipalities affected by the election postponement -- refuse to recognize the decision by the Supreme Electoral Council, a government body they say is manipulated by President Daniel Ortega.
    Coleman said his group, which he claims is more than 5,000 strong, will defend its right to vote the same day as the rest of the country next November by ``blocking roads, taking over buildings and obligating [the government] to hold elections here.''
    In a telephone interview, the indigenous leader told The Miami Herald that people on the streets of Bilwi are nervous about rumors that the Sandinista Front is going to arm its supporters, and that anti-government groups are already talking about how to defend themselves.
    ''The situation is serious,'' Coleman said.

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    Dam right it is serious, the FSLN taking away the right to vote for frivioulious reasons?

    History often repeats itself....Viva Peace and Reconsiliation.....

    Looks like somebody is fixin to F**k up again....
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    what scares me is that they are postponing an election, who says they won't postpone it again after hurricane season this year. There may not be another election for many more years! Might be better to have elections earlier than the original November date.

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    http://www-usa.laprensa.com.ni/archi...a/252784.shtml

    Apparently a Ponga loaded with Arms of all sorts came in last night from RAAS to RAAN. There are claims that these weapons are going to be used in a protest tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 frijoles View Post
    what scares me is that they are postponing an election, who says they won't postpone it again after hurricane season this year. There may not be another election for many more years! Might be better to have elections earlier than the original November date.
    TresF....Is that what you want to be called now?

    That is the point they are not calling for elections sooner, it is in November that they want, como normal...

    In the early 90´s the conditions were a hell of a lot worse and yet elections were had....

    Many say here that it is a lame excuse because of hurricane damage to not hold the elections and feel it is a step toward dictatorship...

    They feel that if elections were held the current people in charge would lose and perhaps DO and his people feel it might snowball into a Country wide thing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Demento View Post
    don't let tv see this, i am a simple man, so i don't get it....
    Let me guess you wash your viagra down with road kill !

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    oops, that was suppose to be directed to JW...quoted wrong quote....sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santana View Post
    Let me guess you wash your viagra down with road kill !
    how did you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Demento View Post
    how did you know?
    Road kill Beer..

    Tire Track Whiskey..

    White line Wine..(not to be confused with Peruvian marching powder)

    Dead Skunk Brandy...

    and of course

    Gravel Road Corn Liker....(Taxes NOT paid)

    Its all good!
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