North Americans seeking "Daddy/Daughte" relationships in Nicaragua

[MagneticaMujer]

I’m continually amazed at the vulgarity and general acceptance in North American enclaves of the many horse-faced, forty or fifty-something-year-old North American men seen, who move to countries like Nicaragua seeking teen aged, financially dependent brides for a "daddy/daughter" fantasy relationship. The type of men who convince themselves that these teen brides actually want them as a husband instead of a financier. Can you imagine the disgust they would face in the U.S. or Canada if they exercised these types of practices with our daughters? Many of these old goats would be shunned if they did this in North America, so why is it accepted in Latin American countries?



They spend a great amount of time commenting about the child brides as if they’ve really scored in life by exploiting someone's daughter. And the gall of these perverts to brag about “supporting the teen aged girl’s family” instead of helping the family start a business and support themselves, never ceases to amaze me. Why not keep these brides and their families dependent – these women they supposedly love – instead of actually proving they care by ensuring these women never want for anything? Especially, when they can leave and go back to the U.S. or Canada when the whim suits them, leaving behind lives in a developing country, and rejecting responsibility for supporting their own offspring. And if you think when these old geezers kick off, that these young mothers inherit bank accounts, then think again. I've known many of these girls who matured to women who were left supporting their offspring, once they mature and the old man's attraction wanes.


Sometimes I wish the CA-4 nations would stop these geezers at the border and send them back to the brothels and teen pornography houses they frequent in the U.S. But at least, if Central America is going to enable these relationships exploiting younger women who lack economic equality, then why not demand that any man twice her legal age and marrying a barely legal bride invest a bond - enough money deposited in an account to support the woman and her children when they flee the country or kick-the-bucket. Would these perverts still seek these daddy/daughter fantasies if they had to pay for their perversions?

Enablers claim these women promote this relationship because they seek out lecherous old fools like this, knowing they can improve their family’s economic future. But do they? Time and time again, I’ve seen these young girls left pregnant, while these social retards leave young brides for months on end, moving from one sex tourism hub to another. Few of them even pay off the families for exploiting their daughters. They stay around 5 to 10 years and then flee…all social responsibility vacated. Do these girls really know what the future is? Are they counseled to secure documents that give them equal access to these fools bank accounts? The answer in most cases is no! Why? Because most of these teen brides don't have access to legal help that women do in these men's countries of origin, to protect their interests. And that is exactly why they are targeted by these perverts.


If a man in his fifties wants to marry a child bride for his daddy/daughter fantasy he shouldn’t mind a requirement to ante up the funds, so that when their whim ends and they find another younger girl in their sick perverted needs, at least the previous family is well taken care of. That would secure the future of these girls and the local economies, since they don’t have the social and economic situations to educate them enough to tell these old geezers to take a hike. And it would equal the playing field, since these men can’t get turned on by a woman old enough to expect a man to pay for play.


I hope that Nicaragua and Costa Rica begin to consider the drain on local economies when these men abandon these brides and seek to remedy this some day. It would be nice if these men had better morals, but until then, maybe a bond would help solve the financial woes they leave behind.

[AarontheGreat]

Wow!

[MagneticaMujer]

Wow!

Why WOW?

Can you imagine the arrival of shows like Dateline NBC’s “To Catch a Predator” in a place like Nicaragua or Costa Rica? I wonder if Chris Hansen arrived in Central America and performed a background investigation of some of these men, if he wouldn’t discover some of them had fled the U.S. because of being listed as sexual predators?

In the U.S. we warn our children about men like this, explain to them that they have a disease, and we prosecute when our daughters are molested. But what happens in countries like Nicaragua? Sexual predators justify that the normal age of consent is 16, so therefore the same act we would find disgusting in the U.S. is acceptable in places like Nicaragua. And what amazes me is that U.S. citizens who would prosecute these men for molesting their daughters actually SOCIALIZE with sexual predators in other countries. I guess it’s the old adage, if it “isn’t my country then who cares?”

But some of us DO care! Some of us find this behavior extremely distasteful! Especially when it is inflicted upon our daughters simply because they are from a different culture!

[El Greco]

Moralities vary from country to country, In the middle east is OK to practice polygamy, In the USA being Old is like a curse, where as in Latin Countries is acceptable for older man to marry a younger woman...... I think if there is a 10, 15 0r even a 20 year difference I do not see anything wrong with it.......

[El Doc]

Great post! Welcome to TRN.

This is a long-neglected subject that pisses me off to no end.

And we don't all socialize with these pervs. In fact, they tend to avoid anyone in the ex-pat crowd who isn't of like mind because they know they aren't welcome. Some have even found themselves on the wrong end of a beating (remember Peter Christopher?).

It should also be pointed out that, at least around here, it's not just men engaging in this behavior. I know of at least a few women here in town who are doing the same thing, though they tend to be younger than their male ex-pat counterparts and their toys tend to be in their early 20s, not the 14 and 15 year old girls I see some 60 year old men with.

Anyways, great post. I'm glad someone finally brought it up.

[El Doc]

Moralities vary from country to country, In the middle east is OK to practice polygamy, In the USA being Old is like a curse, where as in Latin Countries is acceptable for older man to marry a younger woman...... I think if there is a 10, 15 0r even a 20 year difference I do not see anything wrong with it.......

What about when the girl is 14?

It is illegal for a U.S. citizen to have sexual relations with a minor ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. There's no such thing as going where it is "acceptable" if you carry a U.S. passport. If you're picked up, the embassy will not help you. In fact, they will see to it that you are also charged in the U.S.

[MagneticaMujer]

Moralities vary from country to country, In the middle east is OK to practice polygamy, In the USA being Old is like a curse, where as in Latin Countries is acceptable for older man to marry a younger woman...... I think if there is a 10, 15 0r even a 20 year difference I do not see anything wrong with it.......

Except that in Latin Countries, the older men who marry younger women can be held accountable when they flee the relationship. If the girl has the resources, she can collect child support. When a man flees the country for his own or another, she cannot if he isn't a citizen of that country.

Also, I'm not simply talking about an age difference. I'm talking about molesting teen aged girls that in these people's own countries of origin would be considered jail bait.

[MagneticaMujer]

Great post! Welcome to TRN.

This is a long-neglected subject that pisses me off to no end.

And we don't all socialize with these pervs. In fact, they tend to avoid anyone in the ex-pat crowd who isn't of like mind because they know they aren't welcome. Some have even found themselves on the wrong end of a beating (remember Peter Christopher?).

It should also be pointed out that, at least around here, it's not just men engaging in this behavior. I know of at least a few women here in town who are doing the same thing, though they tend to be younger than their male ex-pat counterparts and their toys tend to be in their early 20s, not the 14 and 15 year old girls I see some 60 year old men with.

Anyways, great post. I'm glad someone finally brought it up.

I realize all expatriates aren't associating with perverts, so let me apologize if that was assumed by my post. But this idea that our moral convictions change simply because we cross international borders is disgusting to me. And it is no different if it is a woman engaging in this type of behavior. A pervert is a pervert in any gender.

[MagneticaMujer]

What about when the girl is 14?

It is illegal for a U.S. citizen to have sexual relations with a minor ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. There's no such thing as going where it is "acceptable" if you carry a U.S. passport. If you're picked up, the embassy will not help you. In fact, they will see to it that you are also charged in the U.S.

No, what about if the girl is under 18? Why not hold yourself to the same standards as you would in the U.S.? For one thing, child development experts will explain that a child under the age of 18 hasn't reached a stage of emotional development yet, to allow them the reasoning that mature adults possess. And THAT is exactly why these perverts choose their victims this way!

But if they were forced to pay a bond to cover any potential loss to the young girl, would they THEN feel so smug about their daddy/daughter relationships? I doubt it! Economics is the reason they do this. And if that equation were changed, they'd be forced to do this where they would be held accountable.

I would LOVE to see legislation introduced to countries like this, to ensure that these men paid for play.

[MagneticaMujer]

I hope they keep each other amused.....

I thought she was confined to NL?

And if this is your pattern, Juanno or whomever you are:

If you feel this is acceptable, then why don’t you practice this in the U.S. or Canada? Why do you move to Central America and seek out someone’s daughter who has such an economic disparity?

Erikson's Eight Stages of Development for teenagers, the following issues are noted:

A 13 or 14 year old to about 20 years of age is still learning Identity Versus Identity Diffusion (Fidelity). They are asking the key questions about their identity, “Who am I?” or “Where do I fit in?” These children are victims when they are molested by these people, because it contributes to delinquency and doubt.

Negative identities are formed from these experiences that haunt these children for life. It interrupts a capacity to realize achievement sometimes and creates an inferiority complex. It interrupts development of their sexual identity.



“Erikson believes that, in our culture, adolescence affords a "psychosocial moratorium," particularly for middle - and upper-class American children. They do not yet have to "play for keeps," but can experiment, trying various roles, and thus hopefully find the one most suitable for them.”



But this luxury is taken from children in Central American countries where child molesters arrive to inflict their own psychosocial ills upon children not fully developed yet. And this is exactly why these creeps with their “daddy/daughter” fantasies come to places like this. And when you add to this that these creeps interrupt a child’s ability to learn intimacy vs. isolation it can affect their choices and long term possibilities for a good marriage.

[El Greco]

Except that in Latin Countries, the older men who marry younger women can be held accountable when they flee the relationship. If the girl has the resources, she can collect child support. When a man flees the country for his own or another, she cannot if he isn't a citizen of that country.

Also, I'm not simply talking about an age difference. I'm talking about molesting teen aged girls that in these people's own countries of origin would be considered jail bait.

Molesting is totally a different issue, but what I'm saying that age difference is not a big deal in Latin Culture.... and I'm not in favor of some 60 year old man having sex with a 14 year old that is totally wrong in my book

[MagneticaMujer]

Molesting is totally a different issue, but what I'm saying that age difference is not a big deal in Latin Culture.... and I'm not in favor of some 60 year old man having sex with a 14 year old that is totally wrong in my book

As to age difference in relationships, in the Latin culture it is a big deal to some of us. Some of us don't want our daughters marrying men old enough to be fathers to our daughters. There are others who don't mind. We are as diverse on this issue as any other culture of people.

However, if my daughter is over 18 and has developed the reasoning to make a mature decision about her partner, I will try to understand her choices.

But if you came near my daughter and she was under that age, my husband might take you to a secluded area where you would wind up bleeding to death from castration. And HE is Central American! So don't fool yourself. You could get hurt if you pick the wrong family for your daddy/daughter fetishes.

[El Greco]

But if you came near my daughter and she was under that age, my husband might take you to a secluded area where you would wind up bleeding to death from castration. And HE is Central American! So don't fool yourself. You could get hurt if you pick the wrong family for your daddy/daughter fetishes.

I do not want anything to do with your daughter, and I do not like to be threaten

ALL I SAID THAT IT WAS PERMISSABLE THAT PEOPLE(WHO ARE ADULTS) CAN MARRY IF THERE IS AN AGE DIFFERENCE OF 10 OR 20 YEARS
AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW HOW TO DEFEND MY SELF

AND I DO NOT GO AROUND CHASING 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS

[MagneticaMujer]

I do not want anything to do with your daughter, and I do not like to be threaten

ALL I SAID THAT IT WAS PERMISSABLE THAT PEOPLE(WHO ARE ADULTS) CAN MARRY IF THERE IS AN AGE DIFFERENCE OF 10 OR 20 YEARS
AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW HOW TO DEFEND MY SELF

AND I DO NOT GO AROUND CHASING 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS

Then my message should not be a threat to you, and you should not have personalized it. But this assumption that every Latin family approves of these relationships is naive. I know many families just like ours who would do the same thing if it were their daughter. So it is a dangerous practice for those who assume that this is an acceptable behavior.

If these people choose the wrong family, they may attract the wrath of the family. And one person in Nicaragua against an entire family, seeking revenge for their daughter's reputation? Not a smart move!

[tresfrijoles]

I translated your post for my wife to take a look at, she is 3 years younger than me, however she is in a University with lots of very young girls 18-21. She is telling me about how many girls in her classes are with older men, much much older men. One girl that is 19 is with a X-Sandinista-commandante of the 80's, he supports her in her studies, in her life, is practically like her father, but expects much more out of the relationship than just that. In reality, I see more old Nica men here in Nicaragua with young girls, than I see North American men with young girls.

I have also been told by my wife that these girls are actively seeking older men that can finance them, this is something that came up in her previous project for school on Sexual Tourism in Nicaragua. The line between prostitution and someone that you support in exchange for fantancy short relationships.

I have been to a wedding wear a mother gave her Teenage daughter away to a man in his 50's because the mother believed that he could support her better than she could as a parent.

I personally can not accept any of what goes on here in such relationships, but I am living here, and I mentioned before if you want to stay sane, sometimes you just have to go numb to that around you.

I have seen a lot of recent articles about Costa Rica cracking down on the expat community that comes to their country to exploit the young girls. One particular law that they apparently passed had to do more with Men seeking Residency by marrying a Costa Rican, Imagine that!, of course they are married on paper and the man pays $50 or $100 dollars each month, but there is no relationship.

If anything ever comes about here in Nicaragua, it will be just another law that is never dealt with

[El Greco]

Like I said! It is Immoral and disgusting that some 65 year old man tries to court and have sex with a 14 or 16 year old girl.... Unfortunately the poverty in Nicaragua is inmense, and these little girls with no education and no hope are easy prey for dirty old men

[FisherCigarman]

WTF?? let the old farts have whatever the F#$% they want,as long as it's not a minor,I don't see the age difference as an issue.


You guys need to realized that older men being with younger women it's practiced more by Nicaraguans that foreigners,now I don't give a $hit was they do in other CA countries,I am laying down the FACTS for my Country Nicaragua!!!

Like I said! It is Immoral and disgusting that some 65 year old man tries to court and have sex with a 14 or 16 year old girl.... Unfortunately the poverty in Nicaragua is inmense, and these little girls with no education and no hope are esay prey for dirty old men

[MagneticaMujer]

Relax mujermagnetica please!!!

Little Corn Tom is NOT Juanno,I can assure you that, thou LCT can and acts like a SOB(just like I do) Tom is a total different character.

BTW,welcome to TRN but Please DON"T mix the characters on the other site with this one,and if at all possible don't bring your fights from the other site to this one.

Enjoy your stay!!

Not a problem, and I assume you will tell the NL members to do the same when they respond to me as Tom did.

My post was not against men, but it was something that concerns me regarding the economics of Central America. Too many women are left in poverty, supporting children who never even merit as much as a signature to qualify for U.S. citizenship in these relationships. And I experienced this first hand through a dear friend. She was Salvadoreno, had five kids by this man, and was abandoned. He refused to sign documents to allow his kids to even enter the U.S. legally. When my comadre died from cancer, her children were left to fend for themselves. It was a very tragic story!

I could tell tons of stories such as this. Heartbreaking stories and this is why I wish we could influence economic legislation to control this and maybe put an end to it. And the same thing goes for women who destroy young boy's lives. This is not about gender, it's about humanity and dignity.

[MagneticaMujer]

Except that when an older man of the same country marries the young girl (not that my husband and I find his acceptable either) they CAN be held accountable in a court of law for the support of any children. Whereas a foreigner with separate bank accounts in the U.S. cannot. And that is why I find it even more disgusting in foreigners.

I know that some of these girls do not have the resources to apply the child support, but if they did, they might be able to. They cannot if it occurs with a person outside of their country.

Older men and younger women are not a new thing. Nor are older woman and younger men. But when it affects the life of a child, adults SHOULD find these daddy/daughter fetishes disgusting and stop it. For one thing, as I said, it affects the child's development and in the end that can be very costly to a community if that child develops a poor self image. And many men from Central America find this practice equally as disturbing. My husband is one, while those who come to Nicaragua and gain citizenship later, may not.

I translated your post for my wife to take a look at, she is 3 years younger than me, however she is in a University with lots of very young girls 18-21. She is telling me about how many girls in her classes are with older men, much much older men. One girl that is 19 is with a X-Sandinista-commandante of the 80's, he supports her in her studies, in her life, is practically like her father, but expects much more out of the relationship than just that. In reality, I see more old Nica men here in Nicaragua with young girls, than I see North American men with young girls.

I have also been told by my wife that these girls are actively seeking older men that can finance them, this is something that came up in her previous project for school on Sexual Tourism in Nicaragua. The line between prostitution and someone that you support in exchange for fantancy short relationships.

I have been to a wedding wear a mother gave her Teenage daughter away to a man in his 50's because the mother believed that he could support her better than she could as a parent.

I personally can not accept any of what goes on here in such relationships, but I am living here, and I mentioned before if you want to stay sane, sometimes you just have to go numb to that around you.

I have seen a lot of recent articles about Costa Rica cracking down on the expat community that comes to their country to exploit the young girls. One particular law that they apparently passed had to do more with Men seeking Residency by marrying a Costa Rican, Imagine that!, of course they are married on paper and the man pays $50 or $100 dollars each month, but there is no relationship.

If anything ever comes about here in Nicaragua, it will be just another law that is never dealt with

[tresfrijoles]

I hate to say this, but how many children here really even know their fathers, or even if they do, how many fathers are there for their children physically and emotionally? VERY FEW.

Just 2 years ago Nicaragua passed a law of paternity, giving the mothers or fathers the ability to have paternity tests done by law, at the expense of the father or the mother if the father is trying to prove his paternity and the mother does not want to accpet it. I bet to this date not one test has been done. I would believe that it is much easier for a girl to approach the US Embassy here, and report such paternity issues with men from the US, I bet that if given enough REAL information the US Embassy would act on such cases, or I would hope they would.

Except that when an older man of the same country marries the young girl (not that my husband and I find his acceptable either) they CAN be held accountable in a court of law for the support of any children. Whereas a foreigner with separate bank accounts in the U.S. cannot. And that is why I find it even more disgusting in foreigners.

I know that some of these girls do not have the resources to apply the child support, but if they did, they might be able to. They cannot if it occurs with a person outside of their country.

Older men and younger women are not a new thing. Nor are older woman and younger men. But when it affects the life of a child, adults SHOULD find these daddy/daughter fetishes disgusting and stop it. For one thing, as I said, it affects the child's development and in the end that can be very costly to a community if that child develops a poor self image. And many men from Central America find this practice equally as disturbing. My husband is one, while those who come to Nicaragua and gain citizenship later, may not.

[MagneticaMujer]

Sadly, they do not. We tried that with some women in Mexico. They have "bigger fish to fry."

You may see things change if threads like this are not hijacked. Because the economies of Central America are seeking solutions for these economic issues. In the meantime, anyone with a sense of ethics should be giving this a huge applause.

Those who oppose it are generally the problem. I think as people recognize the social problems from this, you will see more and more legislation created and followed up on. And women who do so should be encouraged.

I hate to say this, but how many children here really even know their fathers, or even if they do, how many fathers are there for their children physically and emotionally? VERY FEW.

Just 2 years ago Nicaragua passed a law of paternity, giving the mothers or fathers the ability to have paternity tests done by law, at the expense of the father or the mother if the father is trying to prove his paternity and the mother does not want to accpet it. I bet to this date not one test has been done. I would believe that it is much easier for a girl to approach the US Embassy here, and report such paternity issues with men from the US, I bet that if given enough REAL information the US Embassy would act on such cases, or I would hope they would.

[tresfrijoles]

Nicaragua is no Mexico, and the cooperation between the governments is not the same, I would be very interested to know if the US Embassy here in Nicaragua is willing to take on more of these paternity cases?

Is there any sort of NGO that also specifically deals with these cases?

I was just thinking about a girl down the street, her father is a man from the Middle East according to her mother, the daughter has also been abandoned by the father... do other embassies in Nicaragua have a better willingness to deal with such cases?

Sadly, they do not. We tried that with some women in Mexico. They have "bigger fish to fry."

You may see things change if threads like this are not hijacked. Because the economies of Central America are seeking solutions for these economic issues. In the meantime, anyone with a sense of ethics should be giving this a huge applause.

Those who oppose it are generally the problem. I think as people recognize the social problems from this, you will see more and more legislation created and followed up on. And women who do so should be encouraged.

[MagneticaMujer]

This is a cause dear to my heart, so I will be trying to find out. Certainly, anyone from Nicaragua might be able to answer this. I will ask a few friends I am skyping with, regarding my husband, this question. And I will call the U.S. consulate office in Los Angeles to see if they have an answer.

After all, Nicaraguans with small children should have a vested interest in removing this problem from their country. These types of perverts often don't just stick to little teen aged girls. They also seek teen aged boys quite often. I'm not sure the nonchalance would be so high if it were their precious sons being molested as teen agers by such men. Predators don't seek children simply for sex, but usually for control.

It is one thing to get involved in a relationship with an age differential, but quite another to actively seek teen aged brides that would be considered illegal in your country of origin. And even more offensive that these children are abandoned in an economic state that leaves them struggling to care for children of their own.

Nicaragua is no Mexico, and the cooperation between the governments is not the same, I would be very interested to know if the US Embassy here in Nicaragua is willing to take on more of these paternity cases?

Is there any sort of NGO that also specifically deals with these cases?

I was just thinking about a girl down the street, her father is a man from the Middle East according to her mother, the daughter has also been abandoned by the father... do other embassies in Nicaragua have a better willingness to deal with such cases?

[Just Plain John Wayne]

I have no idea where this woman/man got a hard on from...

Coming on to this site with such veniomus horse shit at every poster.....

Magnetic Woman has accused everyone on here as a prevert in my eyes...

She needs to get a life....

It is true I married a YOUNG WOMAN of 16 with a child of 10 months and I was 42.....

I will not denigh it, or him...

And I took him as my own, and he is now mine......

WTF is that.....??????

It happens all the time in the world, 14 and 16 is the legal age to marry in much of the world....

Marrying and just lookin' sex are two different things.....

We are still together and have 3 more........ She, my wife, is 31 now....

15, the oldest, 12 the next one, 11, and 8..... The youngest are the girls......

And NO I am not an exception to the rule,

Predetors are another thing.....

I have a hard on for them, I lost a sister at 15, and her friend of 13, many years ago, never to be heard from again....

Unless you did, you know nothing, you do not have the rage I do in my heart over that $hit......

I have 4 daughters and 3 sons, I would wade to my neck in blood for.....

But my suggestion is be a bit easy presenting your case......

You are not talking to a bunch of criminals here....

The lights went out, and are now back on.........

And I do want to make my statement.....

You are on to something socaly good, and in reading the past posts I had to make it clear...

JW

[Jonh]

Dammit, I go out of town for one day and miss the shit-flinging contest.

Don't feed the trolls, people.