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    interesting... not looking forward to getting "dengue" a second time... (first time was pretty miserable!)
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    Fastest way to treat dengue fever is with the cashew tree. Leaves of the tree, made into a tea and drunk 2 to 3 times a day, reduces the pain from "bone break fever" by the second dose and cuts recovery time in half. Cross my heart! 'Course there's no money to be made from this answer which is why scientists don't discuss it...they're being paid to come up with a product that will produce profits. But now you all know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by catahoula fan View Post
    they're being paid to come up with a product that will produce profits.
    Actually, most tropical diseases have been abandoned by the pharmaceutical industry. The countries they effect are too poor for them to care. The problem has gotten so bad that journals have changed the name of the entire discipline to "neglected tropical diseases" in the hopes that it will inspire the next generation of researchers to move into it.

    Virtually all research being done on tropical diseases is being done by universities and non-profit organizations. The single largest contributor is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (working on a malaria vaccine for the past 15 years now). A good deal of that research revolves around existing folk remedies as they are a lot cheaper than developing a new drug molecule.
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    Default Re: New clue in fighting dengue

    Mil.... how strong do you have to make the tea?
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    4 cashew leaves to 1 cup of water, bring just to a boil covered, then turn off and let steep for 10 minutes or until cool enough to drink. Sweeten with honey to taste.
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    Ahhh, now I can remember that, I am going to try it for pain for other things as well and see how it works out...

    Thank you Doctora Mil.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by catahoula fan View Post
    Fastest way to treat dengue fever is with the cashew tree. Leaves of the tree, made into a tea and drunk 2 to 3 times a day, reduces the pain from "bone break fever" by the second dose and cuts recovery time in half.
    I'm a big believer in natural remedies. But it's one thing to relieve the symptoms, which can be a great help, and altogether a whole 'nuther game to 'cure' the disease, in this case, to convince the virus (or its cousins) that this body is not a suitable host. This BBC report of the article in Science makes me think that the best strategy one can pursue now is that once you get dengue, leave the tropical areas where the disease is endemic. Cause you haven't built up any immunity, instead the virus has primed your cellular pump, and if the next strain, injected into you by those annoying little flying syringes, is hemorrhagic dengue, it could be curtains. So until a cure is found, it seems to me it's important to know that you have or have had dengue, and then get the hell out of Dodge.

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    Default Re: A note of Caution

    From: http://organiccashewnuts.com/learnmore.htm
    "Teas and fruit juices from the cashew apple and leaves are known to have antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory, astringent, diuretic, hypoglycemic, and other medicinal properties. The active ingredients in the teas and juices are thought to be tannins, anacardic acid, and cardol."

    Wiki on Dengue Fever says,
    "Aspirin and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs should be avoided as these drugs may worsen the bleeding tendency associated with .." the hemorrhagic strain.
    Interestingly they cite another similar study by a different group, (2010). "Cross-Reacting Antibodies Enhance Dengue Virus Infection in Humans". Science 328: 745

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    I'm a big believer in natural remedies. But it's one thing to relieve the symptoms, which can be a great help, and altogether a whole 'nuther game to 'cure' the disease, in this case, to convince the virus (or its cousins) that this body is not a suitable host. This BBC report of the article in Science makes me think that the best strategy one can pursue now is that once you get dengue, leave the tropical areas where the disease is endemic.
    That's the problem with dengue. It's your body's response that does you in. That's why your first exposure is relatively mild, whereas subsequent exposures can kill you. It's the hemorrhagic aspect of dengue that kills you, not the virus itself, and that is mediated by your antibody response.

    The reality is, even hemorrhagic dengue is relatively simple to treat with basic medical services available. Unfortunately, the medical services available to most here in Nicaragua are woefully insufficient to handle this bug despite the fact that every 3rd year medical student knows how to treat it.

    All you need are decent laboratory services (to closely monitor platelet counts), a well-stocked blood bank (to replace the platelets you lose), and decent hospital conditions (so you don't end up dieing from a hospital-acquired infection while being treated). Unfortunately, we still haven't been able to figure out how to pull off even those basic 1950 technologies around here.
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    Have any virus diseases ever been "cured?" I thought the only thing that could be done with virus infections is to let them run their course, treat symptoms, prevent death. Inoculations for prevention are another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonh View Post
    Have any virus diseases ever been "cured?" I thought the only thing that could be done with virus infections is to let them run their course, treat symptoms, prevent death. Inoculations for prevention are another matter.
    "Cure" is kind of a loaded term in medicine. It can mean so many things. The basic underlying principle is to restore a disease-free state. Under that definition, viruses are rarely "cured" by medicine. You essentially support the organism and the body's own immune system, which is far more advanced than anything coming out of a laboratory, will cure the disease. There are some antiviral medications out there, Tamiflu being one example, which can eradicate the presence of a virus, thereby meeting the definition of a cure. However, these medications are primitive at best and mostly only serve as an adjunct to your natural defenses. Kind of like the bombers of WW2 thinning out the enemy's ranks. It still takes the grunts in your immune system to clear out the holdouts in the caves and trenches.

    Antiretroviral therapy used in the treatment of HIV has brought us to an era where nobody should have to die of AIDS. The virus has been theoretically eliminated in a person's body. I say theoretically because it is undetectable in the blood. However, it is more than likely lying dormant somewhere in the person's non-circulating tissues, so stopping the medication can lead to a recurrence of the virus with the potential side-effect of now being resistant to the antiviral medication; an instant death sentence.

    The only real long-term solution to viral disease available today is vaccination. Smallpox was eradicated from the planet through aggressive worldwide vaccination campaigns. Unfortunately, this strategy only works for viruses that only have a human reservoir. If a virus can infect other animals, especially wild animals, it will simply continue to circulate in those populations and then infect humans again once vaccination campaigns have ended. Smallpox did not have the option of hiding out in another species, so by vaccinating everyone on the planet, we essentially gave it nowhere to go. The only place it exists now is in a a couple of government-owned laboratories. Hopefully it will never escape because most of the world's population no longer has any immunity to smallpox.

    In the end, the terrain is just as important as the invader. Diseases like malaria are only as deadly as they are because they have so many weakened hosts to infect. Healthy, well-nourished populations, while not immune to such diseases, do not suffer the huge consequences of infection.

    Good sanitation and a good diet are still more important than medicine. Civil engineers still beat physicians in total lives saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Doc View Post
    "Cure" is kind of a loaded term in medicine.
    There are some antiviral medications out there, Tamiflu being one example, which can eradicate the presence of a virus, thereby meeting the definition of a cure.
    Square on, Doc. The 'Cure' is actually an outstanding British rock band.
    As for antivirals, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_antiviral_drugs you'll find 82 more listed. Strictly speaking the interferons only help boost the immune system.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Doc View Post
    However, these medications are primitive at best and mostly only serve as an adjunct to your natural defenses.
    The rate of development of sophisticated antiviral drugs is impressive. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_drugs That BBC news on the Science article led to identifying a key dengue viral protein that could become an antiviral target, or more immediately, one that must be avoided in cooking up an effective vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy-YO View Post
    The rate of development of sophisticated antiviral drugs is impressive.
    As it should be because the rate at which viruses mutate in response to these drugs will make the looming post-antibiotic era look like child's play.

    We still need to spend a lot more time and money on improving the terrain. All these drug developments will only get us so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Doc View Post
    We still need to spend a lot more time and money on improving the terrain. All these drug developments will only get us so far.
    I don't disagree El Doc. But it's for well-informed politicians (hopefully that's not an oxymoron) to decide were those big bucks go. Beyond that there are firms that look to profit in the marketplace with new science-at-the-limits drugs, that inevitably only CEOs, Wall St titans, insurance exec's and dictators will be able to afford, the $10k per day extension of life stuff.

    Our bodies are miracles of complexity, sprung from and still an integral part of the biolayer (I resist saying scum) that covers Earth. We know so little, despite having learned so much. The best we can do, it seems, is to play up to & with our better natures.

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